Hate? I don't hate coil over suspensions. It's just suspension. It has its advantages AND its disadvantages compared to torsion bar suspension.
And I'm not triggered. I just posted facts. You haven't posted one thing about coil over suspensions that you've supported with data or even a basic analysis. Not even the subjective article you've posted is accurate, wracks71's Duster has been obliterated by torsion bar/leaf spring cars. I posted some basic facts, and you're the one still arguing that coil overs are better.
No one that makes a coil over suspension has ever posted the geometry plots, compared their bump steer curves, shown their roll center improvement or camber gain. I've never seen it posted by a member either. I have seen those things posted for torsion bar suspensions, and yet no one has done the objective work to compare their coil over system to an upgraded torsion bar system.
Basically that means that everyone with a coil over suspension conversion on a Mopar is just a fanboy. They have no evidence, no facts, but they will say things about how "superior" their suspension is. Well, without the plots and calculations, that's just nonsense. All of the things that would make a suspension "superior" can be
objectively determined. If you're making that claim without posting the actual evidence, well, that's just marketing BS.
And to me,
that's the most annoying part. Coil overs are just suspension, just springs and shocks, nothing to get angry about. But people get convinced they "NEED" coil over suspension to handle well, and there's nothing true about that, you can handle REALLY well with torsion bars and leaf springs, that has been proven again and again. And then they'll spend $5k+ to convert their car without having any objective facts that support that opinion. Why? Because the coil over conversions are shiny and new, and doing the math to actually understand what you're doing in setting up your suspension is hard.
Exactly. You want to run coil overs, fine by me. You go on the internet and start saying "my coil over car is the best" without posting any objective data or geometry, well, you'd better be faster. And so far, none of them have actually been faster. The problem I have with the coil over conversions isn't the suspensions, it's all the fanboys that literally don't know anything about the actual suspension geometry or chassis loading saying they've got the best **** because they spent the most money. Has yet to be proven.
@BergmanAutoCraft is really the only one stop shop if you wanted to fully upgrade a torsion bar suspension car from one source. I think FirmFeel and Summit Racing would be the next closest, with Summit of course you'd get no help with your selection you'd have to figure out what you needed on your own. BAC and FirmFeel can both help walk you through what you need for your application. Although personally I don't understand the need to get everything from the same place. There are pros and cons to all of the upgrade parts out there, and if you can look at what those are and understand how they work within the suspension system you can build a set up that works best for your by going to a few different places.
The "one stop shop" thing that is touted by the coil over swappers is just laziness IMHO. Do you want the best system? Or do you want to click a button and put some shiny toys on your car?