I agree, the thing that gets me is most all the chains I have seen with stretch in the past few years have been low miles and expensive billet roller chains of various brands. The only one I have really been impressed was a vintage rollmaster but that chain was dated back around early 2000's I believe. @Scody21 replaced a low miles billet chain that was sloppy with a pro gear from hughes and it will be interesting to see how it looks now that he has some miles on it, I cannot remember if he did the tensioner or not per hughes recommendations. Hopefully he will be doing his cam change soon and it will be on our dyno.