Yeah I know, but as long as mopars from the 4.0 inline 6, 318 and 360 era are still out there popping up as available, I don't care what the newer ones have in them. I do have a 12, dodge 1/2 ton, and it's the newest one I have ever had, only got "that" new because last time I needed something I didn't have cash for what I wanted/ and that was the next to oldest one I could buy with bank assistance. They cut me off below '11. I wanted '01 or older.