That's true, but they weren't as aggressive as something like Hughes, some of the Lunati and some of the Comp grinds. While they were Mopar specific, there were somewhere "in between" the old school slow ramps and the ultra fast ramps that are out today. I've seen comparisons on a degree wheel. I do really like the old Mopar cams. They may be "dated" according to some, but they flat out work. I'd love to find the 284 slant 6 cam. I'd run it in a second.