Engines with lack bottom end power?

AJ/FormS said
Doggy is my opinion based on my experience.
all of these, below, are in stock configuration and calculated at 1000ft elevation
As the Wallace calculator has calculated;
the 225 comes in at V/P of 87
the 8.0 273 comes in at .....97
the 8.0 318LA ...........is at 113
the 8.0 360LA ...........is at 121
the 340 at a true ....9.5 is 122
the 5.2M comes in at 124>128
the 10.5 advertised 340 @139
the 5.9M is .................... 146
the 440 2bbl .................. 157
My 367 (276cam/11.0Scr) 161
my 367 (270cam/11.3Scr) 169
A 340 stroker(416) with a modest cam is around 172

Question this based on ratio of cranking and scr right? How much SCR would you need to add to /6 be a stock LA small block killer to 3000-3500 rpm so better than 122.

AJ/FormS said
Ok so, ignoring the stroker, this gives us a range of V/Ps from 87 to 169.
Let's score them into boxes, graduated from 1 to 10 with the slanty at #1. This gives us a working range in each division , of say 10units ; Ok then
#1 is 87, dead soft, is it in gear? Dad, press harder.....
#2 is 97 is this all she's got? when will we be there?
#3 is 107 Mum!, are we there yet
#4 is 117 Aw com'on, we must be close by now.....
#5 is 127 Ten more minutes, kids.
#6 is 137 this is the lower limit for me
#7 is 147 who wants to go on the waterslide?!
#8 is 157 Wheeeee, this is so much fun!
#9 is 167 Ok this is seriously way too much fun, I gotta take a break
#10 is177 IDK, haven't run it.
Remember, all of this is Low rpm torque, from idle to in the window of say 3200 to 3600. By this rpm your Power-timing should be all in, and V/P is no longer worth talking about.

As you can see, a V/P of 108 is only at #3 on this scale, half way between a 273 and a 318, which to me is unacceptable. Sorry if I offended you.

i'm not offended and if your right your right, that's no problem, I understand were talking 3000-3500 rpm and under and a propper still negates this. But according to your list a stock 5.9L is 146 which I got a stock 5.9l Jeep Grand Cherokee which is Jeep version of a Dakota RT and does pulls pretty hard, I just have a hard time believing that an RV cam is all a sudden make it pull slightly better than a 273, plus I've had and been in low cr 318 short blocks with 360/340 top ends with 340 camsto pretty healthy cams with stock stalls/4 gear and they weren't dogs not saying that was the best way to go.

AJ/FormS said
Just so you know, at one time or another, I have run ALL those V/Ps, up to 169, (which is, IMO ridiculously strong) .

But the real point I am trying to make here is how important the cylinder pressure is at low-rpm.
You wanted to know, I think I supplied the answer.

I'm not saying it ain't important but seems to put CR above Power, Which to me there's tons of low to mid CR engine out there making decent low end power I need to further play with this idea.

AJ/FormS said
I keep reminding you that V/P is a way of comparing any engine at low rpm; from a typical street stall to in the window of 3000 to 3600. Once the engine gets up on the cam V/P is no longer of any use to consider.
So yes any two sizes of engines running the same V/P , are going to provide similar performance when installed in identical cars, and operating in the "V/P applicable zone".
With a 2800 stall, you are already on the upper edge of that window, and under acceleration, you will only be in it for a very small amount of time.
Furthermore, V/P is a diminishing value. It is most applicable at lower rpms like 2000 with a 2000 stall automatic, and least applicable at 3200 with a 3200 stall, etc
Lemmee put it another way, take two same built engines with same 108V/Ps. Stall one at 1800, and watch how doggy it is to 3500. Stall the other at 3500 and see how NOT doggy it is....... cuz it never pulls in the doggy-zone.

Understand