Coolant flow
If I was going to use a 6 pack I would do the carbs and intake so I could run cooler temperatures. Chrysler took the easy way out (and cheaper way) to crutch a horrible (but money maker) package.
Im not bound by their rules and budgets.
As for me taking engineers out of hand (or whatever turn of phrase you used) I don’t. But I don’t swallow everything thing say as the be all, end all.
I get the thermodynamic part of it. As I said before and I say again, you can’t just make a blanket statement that all engines run good with hot coolant and all engines run poorly with cold(er) coolant.
Im saying that 180 is all the hotter they SHOULD be IF you give a **** about performance.
I offered to make a video but you said I don’t need to because the engineers have it nailed.
You are correct. I dont have the time to personally hand hold you through the process. Unless you want to pay me. And I still may not do it because you seem like the type who would argue continually, call every slap dick you know and some you don’t to arm yourself to argue and I don’t have time for that ****.
Ive already wasted more than enough time on this thread (and others) trying to get more people to understand that you don’t (and shouldn’t) need coolant temperatures over 180 and 160 if you like performance but it’s the same **** every time. The engineers say…the do it that way. I don’t give a single **** if you aren’t willing to learn that there may be a better way (there is) to do it. I’m not the only one saying or doing it.
Its 2023. This isn’t new. I learned this in the early 1980’s. And it still works today.
Make sure you never question your paradigms. That’s a sure way to never moving forward.
So, you learned what you're preaching 30+ years ago, but
I'm the one that won't learn? You're the one flipping out because someone is questioning you. All I've said is that a 160°-180° mandatory operating temperature isn't best for
every build, and it's not. I've never even said that 190°-200° is best for maximum performance, just that some engines are built to operate that way. Heck I didn't even say it was best for everyone, because that's not true either. But what you're suggesting is only true for a small niche of engine builds.
I certainly don't need you to "hold my hand". I've been working on cars since before I could drive, which is over 3 decades now. I definitely don't know everything (neither do you), and what works "in theory" and in the real world can be different, that's true. But you're the one that says things like "I bet I could make 5 pretty simple changes and you’d make more power and it would run better at 160." That's a direct quote, by the way, you said it. But when I ask what those changes would be, well, crickets, every single time. If it's so simple, I'd bet you could tell me those changes in FAR less time than you've spent arguing with me here. Because this isn't the first time.
But you'd rather grandstand than actually explain, and rather call names than help. Maybe the way you build engines works best with a 160° operating temperature, but you didn't build every engine out there, and what you're pushing isn't true for every engine out there. Your tuning advice caters to a very narrow niche of engines. That's been my point all along. Every time you're pressed, you add more requirements to being able to run best at those temperatures.
If what you claim is so easy and so obvious, shoot me a PM, ask the questions about my build you need to know, and give your response when I give you that info. I have all the info you'd need. You've spent way more time calling me names than it would take to do that. If you're that sure you're right put your money where your mouth is. If I can make those changes without spending thousands of dollars I'll make them, and if you're right I'll have no problem saying that. You keep saying I'm the one that won't learn, but nothing could be further from the truth.
Who puts a cooling system together with the goal of running 200°? Enthusiast says:
“I want my hot rod Mopar to run at 200°!” Right.
All the discussion over the years here and elsewhere about running hot, lowering the temps, about using quality 1”+ core tube radiators, proper shrouds, unimpeded flow, mech/elec fans and cfm, pulley ratio, water pumps, thermostats, timing and afr, fully intending and desiring to run 200°? Can count them on one hand, with missing fingers. Exception, not the rule. Sounds more like that’s what they ended up running at only convincing themselves it’s perfectly fine, but 200° was and is not the goal. Here come the literalists and contrarians LOL
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Yeah, yeah, gaslight, gaslight, blah blah. I'm a literalist and a contrarian because I don't agree with you. Sure.
Chrysler spends a crap ton of money, time and research to build cooling systems for the GenIII to run at 200°. They put way more time and effort into doing that than anybody on this board, and have more experience and knowledge doing it too. And I dunno about you, but 700-800 hp out of a 6.2L engine anybody can easily drive on the street is pretty good performance and drivability. So, yeah, the OEM's put together cooling systems with the goal of running 200° everyday, and spent millions to do it. And don't give me that smog engine nonsense, because with the current ECU's, fuel injection, ECU controlled timing, new catalytic converters etc those engines could be tuned to pass smog running a 180° operating temp
IF that was best for those builds.
Most of the threads on here are about "how not to overheat". Cars with issues, not being able to maintain any temperature in normal conditions. And then the old drag racers chime in and say how everything over 160° is dumb. And they go fast, so everyone thinks that's the only way.
As I explained before, my cooling system is more than capable of maintaining 180°, I've run it that way. The drivability of my car at or below that temperature is not as good as it is at 200°, which my cooling system also has no issue maintaining. And no, I didn't notice any big drop off in performance either. Maybe there is some flaw in my engine build or tune that is causing that, I've never claimed my build or tune was perfect. Quite the opposite, I'm sure it's not.
These cars ran at 190°+ from the factory. They were fine that way for decades. Modern cars run that way and do it for hundreds of thousands of miles. If you're not running the razor's edge on detonation and tuning for a dyno, you don't need to be at 160°. Or even 180°. But the all the guys that "know best" say that's the way it has to be for everyone, which is also why we have dozens of threads with guys saying their car runs "hot" when it fact it's just running at the temperature the factory intended.
Well, that and people not understanding pulley ratio's, high output water pumps, or how many CFM's of air their fan has to realistically move to cool their car. Because most of the threads I've seen with actual cooling issues are just mismatched components.
