Those are the ones who always scoff at my Ford 9" suggestion when people ask opinions of which rear axle. It used to bother me and was a source of argument, but now I just chuckle to myself and move on. The 9" is both cheaper to build and stronger than the 8 3/4 and it does not have a following who thinks it's worth its weight in gold. I have still not been able to afford my axles yet, but I've talked to Cass about them, he knows the measurements and what I need. I won't have 850 bucks total in it when I am done. And that will be drum to drum.