And why are we even discussing 185 80 13s? Those are the WRONG size for your car anyway. The original size was 650/13, which equates to a 165 80 13. The 185 70 13 is only .2 of an inch shorter (same size in some brands) but gives you a wider footprint AND is available everywhere. You're just making things hard on yourself lookin for the WRONG THING!