No idea, all new stuff.. even put on EBC pads to help.. BUT they have almost no miles on them so far, they "Work" but i wouldn't trust them to panic stop.. going to get them broke in all the way first.. Thing is.. Drums take much less pressure to run (being manual that matters) and discs don't self energize which once again for manual matters.. but i will figure it out. Not sure if the OP is going power or manual is all.