Hey they are what they are,and what they are are the BEST headers made,i've got a column auto shifted a-body and all thats needed to install them was flipping the bar that the shifter rod attaches to,this is my second set and for my money nothing comes close in fit,finish,and wear..mine have been on 3 seasons now and all i do is polish them about twice a year,and they still look great,if needed i can have them off in less then a half an hour,bottomline is you get what you pay for...