dart headers

Thanks, but I still can't agree with some of your blanket statements:

* "and only in a small rpm range and they defintiely do not flow as well as a true 1 3/4 header"

* "At any rate its hard to beat a straight 1 5/8 or 1 3/4 since in the proper application either will make more overall power than a step tube design".

- The exhaust dyno comparisons show the step headers as better across the board over 1 5/8" and 1 3/4" headers on a very mild 360. http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/...0307_mopar_crate_engine_exhaust/photo_17.html Then there is the fact of a lot of higher rpm Mopar small block Stockers use them with good results. As mentioned earlier, besides TTI's, I've seen several examples of custom steps, some starting as small as 1 1/2" or actually port-matched. A 1-2,000 rpm difference in operating range between engine combos can't be considered a "small rpm range".

There are other factors that come into play. Jetting should be checked and adjusted any time there is an exhaust change to optimize the combo, just as noted in the intake manifold discussion. I don't think that was done in the header comparison so we can't say for sure if TTI's would have been even better or worse. As an example, I added a 3" X-pipe with Dynomax Ultraflows and it ran at least as fast as before. Then with slightly leaner jetting, it picked up a bit more. But I agree with you that certain combos/applications would prefer smaller tubes for torque based on the rpm range they run in the most.

A specific header can be better than another in a very specific application because there are bore, stroke, cam, rpm, weight, etc. differences that can change the diameter requirements, tube lengths, equal/unequal lengths for fitment, etc., even if the difference are small. There are plenty of good performing examples of straight and stepped headers. The debate is an old one and can go on forever. One interesting story is about a very fast 340 Mopar racer who spent $3,000 on a set of custom stainless headers. I don't know what he was running before (I'm sure it wasn't a $100.00 mail order special), but the new set didn't help any! Why it didn't run better could have been one or more of many reasons, not just because it was stepped.

But when racers who look for every .01 of ET do use stepped headers, I pay attention. Just don't make blanket comparison statements putting a particular type down. There are too many variable and examples either way. I'm just giving examples of combos that TTI's do work in and people can factor in their own variables and priorities, whether they are financial, performance or convenience.

Great debate,I appreciate the counterpoints and will leave you with this.The article actually reinforces exactly what I and the engine masters article found with step headers.In the article the tti gains about 10 peak h.p. over the 1 5/8 and in a narrow window (500rpm) and less through a rougly 1,500 rpm range,and 8 lb.s ft of tq.,exactly as I said-the h.p gains would be low,low teens and in the quarter would be roughly a tenth.It also shows that the 1 3/4 tubes are too big and dont produce any more power,again this is what I have found and even though this is around a 330 h.p. engine I have seen this same pattern give or take a couple h.p. to around the low 400 h.p. mark,after that its more combo specific and a 1 3/4 tube could prove superior.I already stated that in your case they could work since your operating in a narrow range or rpm with stock heads and looking for every tenth.As the article shows thats about all your gaining with them but thats racing,this is pretty much splitting hairs in a street car.If a guy has the money to burn and an automatic car that sees mostly street and doesnt want to worry about scraping headers then thats great.Just dont expect to use them with a four speed without some cutting and welding and forget about a scattershield unless you want to hack it as well,and lastly dont expect a magic 20 h.p. over 1 5/8 headers.People should be well informed of the whole story when laying down $700.00,not just "they are great" or "best money spent" but all the pros and cons,after all you dont know what they are after and they may be dissapointed.