So much for that toyota quality..

brewil said
Yeah I understand that but you have to look at how they are structured as well.
They have a responsibility obviously but all decision making is done in Toyota city. It's so insular that they have created the issue. I don't think they are trying to shed responsibility as such but they could have handled it better.

I don't know if I can agree that they aren't trying to shed responsibility when it has been proven they have been covering problems up for yrs. How it's structured shouldn't affect that if they have any communication whatsoever.

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They have suffered from the same mistake many other companies going too large have, forgotten their initial values. They apparently have made a pledge to revert back to what defined them originally, manly quality and customer satisfaction. I hope it works for them. Theres nothing quite like a Toyota Hilux. If you haven't seen Top Gears expose on the Hilux, it's worth checking youtube for it. Amazing what that car endured!!!

Yes other companies have made the same mistake. That isn't right in my book either. I don't doubt Toyota makes good vehicles. I've known of some but in my area American cars outnumber foreign cars about 10 to 1 so I'm not familiar with all Toyota has to offer.

Johnny Dart said
Just call it what it is. A huge witch hunt by the Bama administration,to help the big 3.
As Americans we can do better than this,and quite frankly is a little embarissing.I'm sure many will agree,for the past 2-3 decades the American auto companies have been making nothing but crap,with a couple exceptions. They need to listen to the American people,and build what they want.But they dont.Trust me,I'm as American as the rest of you.Come out and make a good looking,reliable car that I can trust,and I will buy it.Untill then,for my daily drivers, I will buy the best, most dependable car for me and my family. And to me the most reliable car made is a Toyota. Yes sad,but true.

And before anyone jumps on my decission's,my Camry and Tacoma were both assembled in the US by US employees. Putting food on there tables,and a roof over there heads.

If this were 25 yrs. ago I'd agree the US companies were making a lot of crappy looking junk. But I've owned 6 new vehicles since 1990 and only 1 had any problems to speak of (90 Chevy Cavalier Z24). BTW: We put about 18,000 to 20,000 miles on our vehicles each year so it isn't a case of just owning something a couple yrs. and low miles that make them look good. I rarely get rid of a vehicle with less than 100,000 miles. I have a buddy that won't drive anything except a foreign car because he has drank the cool-aid and believes all US cars are unreliable. Even in spite of seeing my luck with them. Funny how he made a big deal once about a problem I had with my car while it was still under warranty but then just a couple months later he had to replace the motor mounts on his 95 Camry. 3 motor mounts cost over $900. Not including labor.