and again mshred everyone has different computers and laptops different speakers one laptop/computer it can sound AWESOME the next it sound like total dog crap thats all i was trying to get across i mean i would love to put some sound clips up but as i said its not the best way. By any chance you dont like Borla on your car and go to a different company keep the muffler ill bet you that youll put the Borla back on for the flow. Borla has been proven to flow better than a straight peice of pipe. Your two cents has been takin as a customer and understand were you are coming from and as you said you agree with me as well. (XR-1's are going on my cuda btw) anyone else have there 2 cents? i may have a dollar by the time im done here LOL