Probably in this thread.
I will leave tomorrow and I am taking the ValianTrailer full of camping gear and other stuff.. while having some room for things if I buy something large.
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1964 Dart Grüne Hölle Road Course/Track Day/AutoX Project
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I will leave tomorrow and I am taking the ValianTrailer full of camping gear and other stuff.. while having some room for things if I buy something large.
Very cool to see Grüne Hölle today at Carlisle. Nice to meet you, & glad you're back up & running.
Tell your daughter good luck with her business venture.
Tell your daughter good luck with her business venture.
7/17/23:
Well I had made it to Carlisle All Chrysler Nationals and back.
Grüne Hölle Towed ~ 2000# of Trailer and Parts, with firewood and Camping stuff up and down many mountains on the way to Carlisle. I met some new folks and found time to Hike and have dinner with friends as well as Do some proper Mountain Flogging of the car whilst the trailer was detached. Good thing I brought the trailer as I Bought a 40" sign for the garage and I did not have to send it home with a friend.. I was able to take it home myself, as it fit in the ValianTrailer.
My pictures from the Chrysler all Chrysler Nationals 2023 can be found Here
Here is some documentation from my trip:
I Left home Thursday morning so that I could get to Carlisle and not take any interstates while towing. I had a Core 727 Transmission to Sell to A&A so the tongue weight was heavy for my little trailer.
I Stopped for lunch where the Elevation on US 22 was probably the highest, at least on my trip at ~2400 ft near the Allegheny Portage Historic Railroad site.
Then back on the road towards The valleys and Hills.
I forgot how much fun PA Route 994 is from Entrinken to Orbinsonia.. Too bad I had the trailer but it was a blast!
This picture is on PA 164 Which goes over that Green Hill in the horizon.
It is glorious when I encounter these Signs on the up or downside of the mountain, while driving this car.
After a few Hours, I got to Carlisle, dropped off my trans core, and Headed for the Campsite. Shesh.... Always 10° Hotter in the Cumberland valley with ~1000' elevtation drop compared to home near Pittsburgh.
Friday Morning Got into gate 3 before the crowds.. Got the car all cleaned up and ready for the show, then headed to the swap meet to find some stuff that I probably don't actually need, but it's a fun walk.
Friday Nite Decided to cool off with a trip back to the mountains.. Found a nice Hike..
I Chose the Challenging route because I am a dumb *** and thought.... this is cool.
2.1 Miles starting at ~800 ft Elevation and ending at ~1900 ft elevation.
Got to the top and it was all good.
Carlisle is somewhere out there~15 miles away under that cloud on the left.
The Carlisle show has a lot of stuff like this..
And giga tons of 2008-2023 Challengers too.
I took US Route 30 home this time, and when there's a big government sign telling me the elevation, I can't help but stop and take some pictures.
I put ~ 500 more miles on the car and it's mostly good to go. I want to relash the valves again and get it cleaned up for the PVGP countryside tour and some other PVGP Shows this week.
Then out to Ohio for another trailer hauling adventure.
Well I had made it to Carlisle All Chrysler Nationals and back.
Grüne Hölle Towed ~ 2000# of Trailer and Parts, with firewood and Camping stuff up and down many mountains on the way to Carlisle. I met some new folks and found time to Hike and have dinner with friends as well as Do some proper Mountain Flogging of the car whilst the trailer was detached. Good thing I brought the trailer as I Bought a 40" sign for the garage and I did not have to send it home with a friend.. I was able to take it home myself, as it fit in the ValianTrailer.
My pictures from the Chrysler all Chrysler Nationals 2023 can be found Here
Here is some documentation from my trip:
I Left home Thursday morning so that I could get to Carlisle and not take any interstates while towing. I had a Core 727 Transmission to Sell to A&A so the tongue weight was heavy for my little trailer.
I Stopped for lunch where the Elevation on US 22 was probably the highest, at least on my trip at ~2400 ft near the Allegheny Portage Historic Railroad site.
Then back on the road towards The valleys and Hills.
I forgot how much fun PA Route 994 is from Entrinken to Orbinsonia.. Too bad I had the trailer but it was a blast!
This picture is on PA 164 Which goes over that Green Hill in the horizon.
It is glorious when I encounter these Signs on the up or downside of the mountain, while driving this car.
After a few Hours, I got to Carlisle, dropped off my trans core, and Headed for the Campsite. Shesh.... Always 10° Hotter in the Cumberland valley with ~1000' elevtation drop compared to home near Pittsburgh.
Friday Morning Got into gate 3 before the crowds.. Got the car all cleaned up and ready for the show, then headed to the swap meet to find some stuff that I probably don't actually need, but it's a fun walk.
Friday Nite Decided to cool off with a trip back to the mountains.. Found a nice Hike..
I Chose the Challenging route because I am a dumb *** and thought.... this is cool.
2.1 Miles starting at ~800 ft Elevation and ending at ~1900 ft elevation.
Got to the top and it was all good.
Carlisle is somewhere out there~15 miles away under that cloud on the left.
The Carlisle show has a lot of stuff like this..
And giga tons of 2008-2023 Challengers too.
I took US Route 30 home this time, and when there's a big government sign telling me the elevation, I can't help but stop and take some pictures.
I put ~ 500 more miles on the car and it's mostly good to go. I want to relash the valves again and get it cleaned up for the PVGP countryside tour and some other PVGP Shows this week.
Then out to Ohio for another trailer hauling adventure.
Very cool stuff! Really nice pictures too! I know you had a great time. Thanks for sharing this!
I see you got a few pictures of my buddy's 1965 Dodge truck with the Cummins conversion.
7/18/23:
After returning home from Carlisle. I got the car all cleaned and Checked on the valve lash. It seems that I either Have a lifter / pushrod not spinning or a Rocker arm that is not oiling out at the Adjuster screw. It's possible I might have to check on these rocker arms or just swap to stock rockers. We'll see.
I took the car to a local Car cruise tonight it was part of the Pittsburgh Vintage Grandprix "race week" where they have various events and shows all around the local area.
Here are some pictures from the event.
I took the hungry kid out for dinner, while the crowds were coming in and building up.
Then we walked back to the show where she was peddling her wares to the locals.
A few interesting notes.. since this is a local show near the town where I grew up, there were some Vehicles that My dad either had owned in his "personal collection" or sold at the car lot.
This 1933 Dodge Five Window Street Rod Sat around the house or garage since 1984 or so...
New owner is enjoying it and actually using it.
We parked next to a 1968 Dodge Dart GT that was sold off dad's car lot about 25 years ago. Same Owner has had it since he bought it off my dd in the late '90's
Tomorrow I will investigate the Rocker arm issue a bit more and swap to stock rockers if needed, or check for obstructions / drill an oil squirt hole on the chunky rockers if needed.
Oh yeah, remember this idea:
IT WORKS!
I have been taking the car hard around some Right Hand turns and no gas dribbling onto the quarter panel any more, so that is good. I just have to open the trunk and the valve when fueling up, but that is not a problem.
Planning on running the PVGP Countryside Tour Thursday.
After returning home from Carlisle. I got the car all cleaned and Checked on the valve lash. It seems that I either Have a lifter / pushrod not spinning or a Rocker arm that is not oiling out at the Adjuster screw. It's possible I might have to check on these rocker arms or just swap to stock rockers. We'll see.
I took the car to a local Car cruise tonight it was part of the Pittsburgh Vintage Grandprix "race week" where they have various events and shows all around the local area.
Here are some pictures from the event.
I took the hungry kid out for dinner, while the crowds were coming in and building up.
Then we walked back to the show where she was peddling her wares to the locals.
A few interesting notes.. since this is a local show near the town where I grew up, there were some Vehicles that My dad either had owned in his "personal collection" or sold at the car lot.
This 1933 Dodge Five Window Street Rod Sat around the house or garage since 1984 or so...
New owner is enjoying it and actually using it.
We parked next to a 1968 Dodge Dart GT that was sold off dad's car lot about 25 years ago. Same Owner has had it since he bought it off my dd in the late '90's
Tomorrow I will investigate the Rocker arm issue a bit more and swap to stock rockers if needed, or check for obstructions / drill an oil squirt hole on the chunky rockers if needed.
Oh yeah, remember this idea:
IT WORKS!
I have been taking the car hard around some Right Hand turns and no gas dribbling onto the quarter panel any more, so that is good. I just have to open the trunk and the valve when fueling up, but that is not a problem.
Planning on running the PVGP Countryside Tour Thursday.
Yep, No Problem!
Yep, Cool stuff there. everyone likes a good 6BT or 4BT in those old trucks. I have seen a bunch of them.
Richard Sweet
Well-Known Member
How does the gas tank vent with the fill line valve closed?
I added a T and an extra vent line on the bottom side of the fill valve for venting.
It is not in those pictures however.
7/21/23:
I participated in the PVGP Coutryside Tour yesterday.
It was ~120 Miles of Heavy Flogging on Wesmoreland, Fayette and Somerset County PA Back Roads and Mountain Routes.
I was a group leader, and the fantastic volunteer organisers of the event thought that the lowly '64 Dart Grüne Hölle Edition should lead off the fastest group first at 9:00 AM.
I had 4 Cars in my Group, all capable European Grand Tourers in their own right.
In my group:
2015 Porsche 991:
1995 Porsche Porsche 995:
1990 Porsche 964:
and a 1990 Mercedes-Benz 500SL
We had a blast ripping around some mountain roads and I made some new friends from Philadelphia and Delaware, it is usually unlikely that Porsche Guys were digging the Dart but they did.
This tour gets a way different crowd than the local car show car cruise guys which is refreshing.
It's safe to say that the engine is fully operating properly and spent much of the time between the 3500-5200 RPM range. Lots of Heel toeing and bliping of the the throttle for downshifts makes me smile, puts the engine in the proper RPM range to get torque coming out of any corner. 95 Mph Maximum Speed on routes that had no freeway or highway in sight.
2 days ago, I swapped what I call the "chunky" Roller Rockers out for stock Slant 6 Rockers.
I had Ran these "chunkies" for a few years with apparently no issues, but not now.
There is a lack of oil at the Rocker adjustment Screw. It was eating up Rocker screws because they were dry. That is why my lash needed reset a few times in the last 3 weeks. The solution there is to Install a Spray Bar in the Valve cover or Modify the Rockers for Adjuster screw oiling - Which is probably what I will do.
After I Left for the Trip, I realized that the Rocker arm Swap back to stock arms was causing some interference issues with the valve cover. (the vales on this head must be a bit taller than stock. I Had a bit of a diaper on the Valve cover during the Countryside tour to catch any oil that was getting ejected out of the car during driving, and for now until I can get some time to do proper cleaning, welding and metal work on this Valve cover I have the Side of the road / parts store hack..
On the #6 where the Valve cover is slimmed down for the Heater box clearance on '60-62 Models the Rockers were knocking and wore a hole through the metal.
This is also happening on the inside too as I can feel the Rockers clicking against the steel metal baffle inside above cylinders 5 and 1/ 2 where the PCV and Oil Fill is.
Quick fix for now:
' till next time.
I participated in the PVGP Coutryside Tour yesterday.
It was ~120 Miles of Heavy Flogging on Wesmoreland, Fayette and Somerset County PA Back Roads and Mountain Routes.
I was a group leader, and the fantastic volunteer organisers of the event thought that the lowly '64 Dart Grüne Hölle Edition should lead off the fastest group first at 9:00 AM.
I had 4 Cars in my Group, all capable European Grand Tourers in their own right.
In my group:
2015 Porsche 991:
1995 Porsche Porsche 995:
1990 Porsche 964:
and a 1990 Mercedes-Benz 500SL
We had a blast ripping around some mountain roads and I made some new friends from Philadelphia and Delaware, it is usually unlikely that Porsche Guys were digging the Dart but they did.
This tour gets a way different crowd than the local car show car cruise guys which is refreshing.
It's safe to say that the engine is fully operating properly and spent much of the time between the 3500-5200 RPM range. Lots of Heel toeing and bliping of the the throttle for downshifts makes me smile, puts the engine in the proper RPM range to get torque coming out of any corner. 95 Mph Maximum Speed on routes that had no freeway or highway in sight.
2 days ago, I swapped what I call the "chunky" Roller Rockers out for stock Slant 6 Rockers.
I had Ran these "chunkies" for a few years with apparently no issues, but not now.
There is a lack of oil at the Rocker adjustment Screw. It was eating up Rocker screws because they were dry. That is why my lash needed reset a few times in the last 3 weeks. The solution there is to Install a Spray Bar in the Valve cover or Modify the Rockers for Adjuster screw oiling - Which is probably what I will do.
After I Left for the Trip, I realized that the Rocker arm Swap back to stock arms was causing some interference issues with the valve cover. (the vales on this head must be a bit taller than stock. I Had a bit of a diaper on the Valve cover during the Countryside tour to catch any oil that was getting ejected out of the car during driving, and for now until I can get some time to do proper cleaning, welding and metal work on this Valve cover I have the Side of the road / parts store hack..
On the #6 where the Valve cover is slimmed down for the Heater box clearance on '60-62 Models the Rockers were knocking and wore a hole through the metal.
This is also happening on the inside too as I can feel the Rockers clicking against the steel metal baffle inside above cylinders 5 and 1/ 2 where the PCV and Oil Fill is.
Quick fix for now:
' till next time.
I love this! Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, Benz, DART. LOL What are you thinkin about for the fix for the valve cover?
Welding. I Will kick it up a bit Higher. I have done this before for other projects. Just need some scrap steel and break out the hot glue gun.
Is the current set-up with the Webers from #302 or the Clifford/4B from #316? Either way, I love the car!
Curre
Thanks!
It does not have the Weber style injection on it yet. It has the single four barrel for now.
Thanks!
Richard Sweet
Well-Known Member
Do you still have this car? Anything new? I see that you've been driving the wagon.
Hello, Thanks for checking in.
Yes, I still have the car. This is the most exciting one to drive in my fleet. I don't think I will be selling it for at least 40 years if things remain as they are.
I have not updated here, because I have not done anything with it. Parts cars, shows,, work, vacation, and family have been demanding my time.
I went on a trip last July 2023 from Irwin, PA to Greenwood, Ohio towing a U haul Single axle Box trailer with the Grüne Hölle Dart. I met up with a buddy to do some slanted discussions and to pick up slanted parts and a Flow bench in Greenwood Ohio, Also on the way home outside of Columbus, I picked up a Slant 6 core engine.
Well Long story short, I had to keep adjusting the valve lash.. found that a cam lobe was wiping away somehow.. Drove it back over 250 miles to PA slowly on 5 cylinders towing a trailer full of parts and stuff.
I started tearing into the '62 Wagon in October of 2023. I try to only work on one thing at a time, as my brain would explode if I had multiple projects going on. I hope to get back on this car in the fall or winter, as it is such a blast to drive. It puts my V8 Stuff and other seemingly well-sorted slant 6 rides to shame in a hurry!
Yes, I still have the car. This is the most exciting one to drive in my fleet. I don't think I will be selling it for at least 40 years if things remain as they are.
I have not updated here, because I have not done anything with it. Parts cars, shows,, work, vacation, and family have been demanding my time.
I went on a trip last July 2023 from Irwin, PA to Greenwood, Ohio towing a U haul Single axle Box trailer with the Grüne Hölle Dart. I met up with a buddy to do some slanted discussions and to pick up slanted parts and a Flow bench in Greenwood Ohio, Also on the way home outside of Columbus, I picked up a Slant 6 core engine.
Well Long story short, I had to keep adjusting the valve lash.. found that a cam lobe was wiping away somehow.. Drove it back over 250 miles to PA slowly on 5 cylinders towing a trailer full of parts and stuff.
I started tearing into the '62 Wagon in October of 2023. I try to only work on one thing at a time, as my brain would explode if I had multiple projects going on. I hope to get back on this car in the fall or winter, as it is such a blast to drive. It puts my V8 Stuff and other seemingly well-sorted slant 6 rides to shame in a hurry!
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mygasser
Well-Known Member
had you considered stacking 2 valve cover gaskets for the little extra clearance you need? just superglue them together and then to the valve cover so they stay in line for a leak free fit.
neil.
neil.
That is sure a reasonable solution, but I like the fuss free welding approach. My welding will not get nasty, ripped torn or mis-shaped on the side of the road when adjusting the valve lash. The double gaskets might.
11/18/24:
I have not updated the thread here, because I have not done anything of note for well over a year.
Work, vacation, and family have been demanding my time as well as my pseudo Mechanical Restoration on the 1962 Valiant Wagon from October 2023 through June 2024.
Some things that happened before the dart was parked:
Roof Rack bars installed:
Driving the Kid around for various things, Ice Cream, Girl scouts, Band, etc...
Why have I parked the most fun to drive car in the fleet for 15+ months? well let's fire up the 'ol time machine to find out..
I went on a trip in July 2023 from Irwin, PA to Greenville, Ohio towing a U haul Single axle Box trailer with the Grüne Hölle Dart.
I left here 'Round about midnight, and drove through 1.5 Hours of torrential rain around the Dayton area before getting off of I70 for the county and state routes. I arrived at my destination just about at sunrise, at 5:45 AM.
I met up with forum user dadtruck for some slanted discussions and to pick up slanted parts, as well as the 'ol Mike Jeffery Flow bench, and Mike's "Book of Secrets" as John refers to it as.
On the way home outside of Columbus, Ohio I also picked up a Complete, but disassembled Slant 6 core engine from a FABO Forum member that needed it gone.
John and I Enjoyed cruising around the back roads of Ohio, and went to a nice car cruise on Saturday about 40 miles from John's house. The cruise was at the A.B Graham Memorial Center, which is an old Miami East School District Building turned community center and museum.
The car show was nice, but I really enjoyed the museum. There were a lot of AG artifacts that I would not have known about as I was not raised working on a farm as a youngin'.
After leaving the show and returning to John's house I felt something not right with the engine.
I started to head home before sundown. I pulled over in Fletcher, Ohio, on US Route 36, pulled the valve cover and adjusted the valves again. Within 5 miles a lobe was wiped. - I nursed it back home on 5 cylinders for ~270 Miles, stopping in metro Columbus around 9PM to put more slanted parts in the trailer.
I pretty much kept it in 4th gear, No 5th gear whilst towing a big, high box full of stuff. Fortunately the interstate from Columbus to here is mostly flat so that helped.
It was slow and annoying, but I made it home to park the car in July 2023.
I will be pulling the head or the engine soon to see what happened. Possibly the valve springs have too much open pressure for this cam, I never thought to check that stuff, but I will now. I have another copy of the cam, and I will change the oil pump too, as the standard volume one is no good for this combination.
before I start all of that, I began a little bit of cosmetic (re)restoration:
Hood and Valence properly painted at the body shop:
I spray bombed them a few years ago with Rust-oleum Professional, it held up well, but I had some $ so I figured I would get it done right.
The behind the grille / headlights area was never painted correctly either. I prepped and spray bombed those sections while it was apart.
I also plan on doing some work / welding / reinforcement to the Euro License plate frame. It's all made from scrap steel, actually 1981 Chrysler LeBaron Station Wagon Roof, it needs a bit of detail work so that will get done too!
'Till Next time.
I have not updated the thread here, because I have not done anything of note for well over a year.
Work, vacation, and family have been demanding my time as well as my pseudo Mechanical Restoration on the 1962 Valiant Wagon from October 2023 through June 2024.
Some things that happened before the dart was parked:
Roof Rack bars installed:
Driving the Kid around for various things, Ice Cream, Girl scouts, Band, etc...
Why have I parked the most fun to drive car in the fleet for 15+ months? well let's fire up the 'ol time machine to find out..
I went on a trip in July 2023 from Irwin, PA to Greenville, Ohio towing a U haul Single axle Box trailer with the Grüne Hölle Dart.
I left here 'Round about midnight, and drove through 1.5 Hours of torrential rain around the Dayton area before getting off of I70 for the county and state routes. I arrived at my destination just about at sunrise, at 5:45 AM.
I met up with forum user dadtruck for some slanted discussions and to pick up slanted parts, as well as the 'ol Mike Jeffery Flow bench, and Mike's "Book of Secrets" as John refers to it as.
On the way home outside of Columbus, Ohio I also picked up a Complete, but disassembled Slant 6 core engine from a FABO Forum member that needed it gone.
John and I Enjoyed cruising around the back roads of Ohio, and went to a nice car cruise on Saturday about 40 miles from John's house. The cruise was at the A.B Graham Memorial Center, which is an old Miami East School District Building turned community center and museum.
The car show was nice, but I really enjoyed the museum. There were a lot of AG artifacts that I would not have known about as I was not raised working on a farm as a youngin'.
After leaving the show and returning to John's house I felt something not right with the engine.
I started to head home before sundown. I pulled over in Fletcher, Ohio, on US Route 36, pulled the valve cover and adjusted the valves again. Within 5 miles a lobe was wiped. - I nursed it back home on 5 cylinders for ~270 Miles, stopping in metro Columbus around 9PM to put more slanted parts in the trailer.
I pretty much kept it in 4th gear, No 5th gear whilst towing a big, high box full of stuff. Fortunately the interstate from Columbus to here is mostly flat so that helped.
It was slow and annoying, but I made it home to park the car in July 2023.
I will be pulling the head or the engine soon to see what happened. Possibly the valve springs have too much open pressure for this cam, I never thought to check that stuff, but I will now. I have another copy of the cam, and I will change the oil pump too, as the standard volume one is no good for this combination.
before I start all of that, I began a little bit of cosmetic (re)restoration:
Hood and Valence properly painted at the body shop:
I spray bombed them a few years ago with Rust-oleum Professional, it held up well, but I had some $ so I figured I would get it done right.
The behind the grille / headlights area was never painted correctly either. I prepped and spray bombed those sections while it was apart.
I also plan on doing some work / welding / reinforcement to the Euro License plate frame. It's all made from scrap steel, actually 1981 Chrysler LeBaron Station Wagon Roof, it needs a bit of detail work so that will get done too!
'Till Next time.
12/15/24:
Last week, I Finished the painting of the trim on the front areas near the headlights between the headlight and the grille area, and got the front grille and valances reinstalled.
This week, I drained the fluids, and pulled the engine and transmission. I have a Mike Jeffery prepared racing head on this engine. It is the style without spark plug tubes, so the head needed pulled to remove the offending lifter and inspect the damaged camshaft ̶l̶o̶b̶e̶ nub. The lifter is also heavily damaged.
I hope the pull the tins today, swap the oil pump, clean up and reinstall everything.
I also would like to order different length push rods.
Here is a bit documentation:
Engine Removed:
Dished Lifter :-(
Last week, I Finished the painting of the trim on the front areas near the headlights between the headlight and the grille area, and got the front grille and valances reinstalled.
This week, I drained the fluids, and pulled the engine and transmission. I have a Mike Jeffery prepared racing head on this engine. It is the style without spark plug tubes, so the head needed pulled to remove the offending lifter and inspect the damaged camshaft ̶l̶o̶b̶e̶ nub. The lifter is also heavily damaged.
I hope the pull the tins today, swap the oil pump, clean up and reinstall everything.
I also would like to order different length push rods.
Here is a bit documentation:
Engine Removed:
Dished Lifter :-(
abdywgn
dismantler
can't reply with a like because of the cam/lifter problem but will give you thumbs up for tearing into it and finding the problem.
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