440-1 flow numbers

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I received my first lesson using a flow bench on Sunday at the Bowman Performance shop out of Export, PA. Tim has taught me a great deal of information regarding engine building and this is just one more thing I had the privilege of being taught. The 440-1 heads we flowed were my own 440-1 heads that will be going on my 540. Tim ported these heads back in 2015. They never were put on a flow bench and the engine was never dynod. We only have track results using these heads. Tim bought this flow bench about 2 months ago and since my engine is being prepped for assembly, he wanted to throw the heads on the bench and see what numbers they put up. We compared my heads flow numbers to another set of -1s that belongs to a teammate. Tim is also in the process of building himself a 572 BBM with 440-1 heads, which are currently on the porting bench. This winter we have a set of Edelbrock Victor MW heads which I’m going to be bold enough to port with Tim’s guidance. It will be cool to flow them when we are finished to see how the port job compares to a -1. I had the privilege of porting my father in laws BBC heads last summer. Tim finished the job for me once I got so far but it showed me how difficult, tedious, and time consuming cylinder head porting is. Experience and knowledge is everything. Tim and John Cadamore were great friends who spoke daily about engine work they were both doing. Tim was looking forward to sharing feedback with John after he purchased the flow bench. Sadly that never happened.

Biggest takeaway, which has been relayed many times on the internet, the flow bench is another tool to use for engine building, just like an engine dyno. The data is only as useful as the person interpreting it. So what’s next for these heads? Assembly!

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Intake CFM @ 28”
215 @ .300
278 @ .400
326 @ .500
353 @ .550
371 @ .600
382 @ .650
387 @ .700
371 @ .750
369 @ .800

Exhaust CFM @ 28”
166 @ .300
204 @ .400
236 @ .500
246 @ .550
255 @ .600
265 @ .650
271 @ .700
279 @ .750
282 @ .800
 
The picture is a little blurry so I will type it out

Intake CFM @ 28”
215 @ .300
278 @ .400
326 @ .500
353 @ .550
371 @ .600
382 @ .650
387 @ .700
371 @ .750
369 @ .800

Exhaust CFM @ 28”
166 @ .300
204 @ .400
236 @ .500
246 @ .550
255 @ .600
265 @ .650
271 @ .700
279 @ .750
282 @ .800
Those are Believable numbers for sure.
I can't wait to see the results of your 540.
That should be outstanding & yes it is sad that John won't be participating... maybe he will in spirit but God most likely has him sitting at a bench for Jesus's light speed bracket dragster.
 
I received my first lesson using a flow bench on Sunday at the Bowman Performance shop out of Export, PA. Tim has taught me a great deal of information regarding engine building and this is just one more thing I had the privilege of being taught. The 440-1 heads we flowed were my own 440-1 heads that will be going on my 540. Tim ported these heads back in 2015. They never were put on a flow bench and the engine was never dynod. We only have track results using these heads. Tim bought this flow bench about 2 months ago and since my engine is being prepped for assembly, he wanted to throw the heads on the bench and see what numbers they put up. We compared my heads flow numbers to another set of -1s that belongs to a teammate. Tim is also in the process of building himself a 572 BBM with 440-1 heads, which are currently on the porting bench. This winter we have a set of Edelbrock Victor MW heads which I’m going to be bold enough to port with Tim’s guidance. It will be cool to flow them when we are finished to see how the port job compares to a -1. I had the privilege of porting my father in laws BBC heads last summer. Tim finished the job for me once I got so far but it showed me how difficult, tedious, and time consuming cylinder head porting is. Experience and knowledge is everything. Tim and John Cadamore were great friends who spoke daily about engine work they were both doing. Tim was looking forward to sharing feedback with John after he purchased the flow bench. Sadly that never happened.

Biggest takeaway, which has been relayed many times on the internet, the flow bench is another tool to use for engine building, just like an engine dyno. The data is only as useful as the person interpreting it. So what’s next for these heads? Assembly!

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You mention in the first post comparing your ported heads to another set of 440-1 heads belonging to a teammate. Was that also a ported set or was that a stock non-ported head? Are those numbers also available to us for comparison?
 
I will hopefully find some fully loaded -1 heads with rockers and a b series tunnel ram with 2, 1050s at a yard sale for $50.00 next spring.
Goals.................
Lol
 
You mention in the first post comparing your ported heads to another set of 440-1 heads belonging to a teammate. Was that also a ported set or was that a stock non-ported head? Are those numbers also available to us for comparison?

Absolutely. Both sets heads were originally CNC’d from Indy and Tim hand ported them as well. I don’t have the sheet in front of me for exact numbers and I don’t remember precisely. But the peak CFM for both were I believe the same or within a few CFM of one another. The main thing we noticed when comparing our heads flow numbers was my teammates heads made its peak CFM at higher lift than mine. However my numbers were stronger at lower lifts (from my recollection). Also my heads seemed to have little bit more turbulence than my teammates from what Tim told me.

And after my teammates heads were flowed, there was no further port work done to them. They were assembled.

I’m going over Thursday to keep working on engine prep before assembly. I’ll get a hold of the other flow sheet and post it as well.
 
Absolutely. Both sets heads were originally CNC’d from Indy and Tim hand ported them as well. I don’t have the sheet in front of me for exact numbers and I don’t remember precisely. But the peak CFM for both were I believe the same or within a few CFM of one another. The main thing we noticed when comparing our heads flow numbers was my teammates heads made its peak CFM at higher lift than mine. However my numbers were stronger at lower lifts (from my recollection). Also my heads seemed to have little bit more turbulence than my teammates from what Tim told me.

And after my teammates heads were flowed, there was no further port work done to them. They were assembled.

I’m going over Thursday to keep working on engine prep before assembly. I’ll get a hold of the other flow sheet and post it as well.
Does he have any comparison numbers on the same bench from a non-ported 440-1 head?
 
Correct. My friend with the green Cuda we are building a 511 for, he got victors.
Great, boy that should be a nice ripper .
Off topic question, do you know anyone going sorta fast with tf240s like I'm running.
Mid 9s ??
 
Great, boy that should be a nice ripper .
Off topic question, do you know anyone going sorta fast with tf240s like I'm running.
Mid 9s ??

Honestly I don’t know anyone running those heads. On Moparts I believe there are a lot of people that run them. Andy F has a lot of experience with them. I wish I knew someone using them to give you feedback.
 
Honestly I don’t know anyone running those heads. On Moparts I believe there are a lot of people that run them. Andy F has a lot of experience with them. I wish I knew someone using them to give you feedback.
Yeah, I just wanted to see if I'm going to be the only person running mid 9s with 240s lol
 
I knew my ears were burning for some reason. :DWe know you're in good hands with Tim. I've spent my fair share of time porting and flowing with some good guidance and the last set of SR that I did refinish, I don't know what they flowed but they made pretty good power all considered. I'm still behind the theory that flow is one part of what makes power and there are a couple more parts. I don't have #'s on my -1 stuff and I didn't 'do' them. I'll probably have the same guy go thru the 572-13 heads I have for next year and I'm not sure if I'll have him throw them on a bench...and I'm not sure he'd be willing! I think all the same the -13's can be better by another 50hp. Not that the bench isn't a good tool! I'd be curious to see a dyno test with heads done by Larry Smith when he was prime. He knew his way around these dinosaurs too.
 
I knew my ears were burning for some reason. :DWe know you're in good hands with Tim. I've spent my fair share of time porting and flowing with some good guidance and the last set of SR that I did refinish, I don't know what they flowed but they made pretty good power all considered. I'm still behind the theory that flow is one part of what makes power and there are a couple more parts. I don't have #'s on my -1 stuff and I didn't 'do' them. I'll probably have the same guy go thru the 572-13 heads I have for next year and I'm not sure if I'll have him throw them on a bench...and I'm not sure he'd be willing! I think all the same the -13's can be better by another 50hp. Not that the bench isn't a good tool! I'd be curious to see a dyno test with heads done by Larry Smith when he was prime. He knew his way around these dinosaurs too.

Yes sir Sean, definitely only one piece of the puzzle that’s for sure. Figured I’d post this on here because I know a lot are interested in flow numbers. I’d love a set of -13s on this combo. Tim and I have talked about making that happen but unfortunately don’t really have that kind of money. And for a bracket car that seems to work well, hard to justify making that big change. I can’t wait to see what yours does with the -13s. Definitely power there.
 
I went from some great 440-1 heads to 571-13, 385cnc, 2.30 intakes, same intake, slightly better headers but went from an iron mega
Block to a BMP aluminum, both combos 549 cubes, methanol injected . 15.25 compression. 440-1 heads, 926 hp ar 7100.
572-13 heads, 982 hp at 7600 rpm.
I used. 043 rings on the -1 xombo, .9 mm rings on the 572-13 combo. Same cam. Same dyno
 
I went from some great 440-1 heads to 571-13, 385cnc, 2.30 intakes, same intake, slightly better headers but went from an iron mega
Block to a BMP aluminum, both combos 549 cubes, methanol injected . 15.25 compression. 440-1 heads, 926 hp ar 7100.
572-13 heads, 982 hp at 7600 rpm.
I used. 043 rings on the -1 xombo, .9 mm rings on the 572-13 combo. Same cam. Same dyno

I believe it Greg. If I ever build another engine, it will absolutely be a 572-13 motor.
 
If i had to do it over, i would still go 572-13 heads, aluminum block, but again i would run a CCW crank in 4 5/8 stroke to reduce rpm some and improve the lower end of the power curve. My reason for the CCW (EXPENSIVE!) crank is to help reduce stress and improve ring seal. I have no back to back data between non ccw and ccw cranks, but my guess is it is worth it at bigger strokes and higher rpm
My deal at 549 cubes seems ( after limited runs) to want to be run up around 7800 rpm or more for best ET. That to me seems a bit high for stainless valves and .868 gross lift. Seans motor runs VERY well, and i have to think his large core, 4/7 swap cam is part of it too. Put all this together and over 1,000 hp should show up, and the average power over the operating range should be higher.
 
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I went from some great 440-1 heads to 571-13, 385cnc, 2.30 intakes, same intake, slightly better headers but went from an iron mega
Block to a BMP aluminum, both combos 549 cubes, methanol injected . 15.25 compression. 440-1 heads, 926 hp ar 7100.
572-13 heads, 982 hp at 7600 rpm.
I used. 043 rings on the -1 xombo, .9 mm rings on the 572-13 combo. Same cam. Same dyno
And here's a great example of moving from -1 to -13's. Greg's combo is on limited passes and it's making great power too. Any time you want to slow down and swap on my -1 heads just let me know! lol No doubt it'd benefit from some Ti valves but, this isn't the first of it's kind to run SS. Most people will reference a cars performance to how much power the motor makes but, it's more a matter of WHAT ARE THEY USING OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE. I find there's a bunch of power available in the rest of the car. What was the original post again, lol? Thanks again Demon for sharing the details of your build.
 
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