74 d200 Question

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Looked at 74 D200 with a factory 440 this week. If you tried to take off quick,(punch it) from a dead stop the truck shuddered pretty bad. Also it made some noise in reverse when I turned around to go back. It has a 727 and a dana 60. A friend of mine thinks it might have a 2 piece drive shaft and it could be the carrier bearing and or u joints. Another buddy thinks torque converter. What do you guys think. It only has 58000 miles and is in pretty good shape. Thanks in advance.
 
The carrier bearing and u joints are easy enough to check.
 
Yeah, I didn't go back to look to see if it had a two piece drive shaft. Not sure if they came with 2 piece or not.
 
I've got a 77 1/2 ton factory 440. Mine will sputter on hard acceleration. I believe from a weak accelerator pump. It should have a thermoquad on it.

My truck will clunk when going into reverse, thought it's a full time 4X4. I believe the clunking is a combination of loose chain in the T/case, along with the normal gear backlash of the differential and axle shaft spline play.

As mentioned though, it's easy enough to climb under the truck after "blocking the wheels" put it in neutral and then checking all the u-joints for wear.
 
This isn't a sputter it's a serious shudder! Like it is gonna come apart. I thought initially it was the rear end. It feels more like the drive line like the drive shaft or there abouts.
 
My '80 jumps hard and shutters when i get into the gas when the choke on the carb isnt adjusted right
 
Seemed fine going through the gears. Didn't go real far with it after how bad it shook from the start. It wasn't like a trans slip where the RPM's go up and it doesn't move. It was more of a violent shake.
 
hi

im not sure if it would have a 1 or 2 piece driveshaft. i know the short bed dodge trucks around these years used a 1 piece shaft, not sure about the long bed trucks. those may be a 2 piece.

i had a 71 chevy longbed half ton C/10 years ago with a built 350/muncie m-22 4 speed combination, it also had a 12 bolt positraction with 4.11 gears. this ***** would run, and run hard. it had a 2 piece driveshaft, and would shudder and shake pretty bad till i changed out all 3 u joints, and installed a new hangar bearing. then it was pretty smooth after that.

if i knew how to weld back then i would have beefed up the frame where the trailering arms attached to the frame (coil spring rear) then i would have cut out the oval hole in the crossmember the drive shaft went thru that the trailering arms attached to and just would have had a 1 piece driveshaft made. reason being is i drove it like an animal , 6500 rpm launches by side stepping the clutch kept messing up hangar bearings. not the easiest thing to change.

if you can modify it to a one piece shaft, i would definitely reccommend it. if you cannot do this, then rebuild the shaft, new u joints, and hangar bearing, then get it balanced at your local drive shaft shop.

axle pinion angle set incorrectly with a 2 piece driveshaft will cause shudder at different vehicle speeds and driveshaft RPMs, it can also move around to different RPMs and vehicle speeds depending if the truck bed is loaded down or empty if the pinion angle is incorrect. since the driveshaft changes angle in relation to the axle depending if the truck is loaded down or empty.

ran into this problem with a 1960 chevy el camino X frame full size car. it uses a 2 piece drive shaft, and had shims to adjust pinion angle to reduce driveshaft shudder. trial and error was the only way i was able to fix this.


it also may be as simple as a blown out transmission rubber mount. this will cause a lot of vibration too and is an easy fix.

vehicle harmonics what a *****.

i hope this helps you out

matt
 
How rare a truck is it? No ac, ps pb am/fm. It is an Adventurer sport so it has the extra trim and chrome bumpers. Seat has only one small bad spot. A little rust above both wheel wells. He wants 3500.00 for it so he's not giving it away. Just wondered if 3500.00 is close to what it's worth.
 
Post some pics? a 3/4 ton isnt as sought after as a half ton, the trim levels if i remember correctly go from Custom, Adventurer, Adventurer Sport, Adventurer SE....from what ive seen just looking at trucks like mine $2000-$2500 will buy a pretty nice one, 4x4s are worth more and Warlocks and LRE's are worth a lot more

Edited to add: is it a single cab, Club cab, or Crew cab? long bed or short?
 
the regular cab short wheel base and long wheel base use a one piece driveshaft; haven't seen the underside of a clubcab so they maybe different
 
It's on Akron/Canton CL. Punch up 1974 Dodge in the search. It's a cool truck. He paid 2500.00 about a year and a half ago. He is not mechanically inclined at all. The po told him about this issue when he bought it. I'm sure it wasn't as bad. He just took it fishing and drove it easy. It does have a trailer break so the po towed a camper probably if that helps with this mechanical mystery. It would match my green and white Duster!
 
I was thinking you had a 4X4. After looking at the add I see it's just a 2wd. When it's doing the shuttering are you taking off straight always? If it were like in corners I was thinking if it was a posi. the clutches in the diff. could be making noise and slipping.
 
No turns, just from a dead stop straight. Shook like a mutherhugga!
 
Gonna go back this weekend and take another look. Working almost around the clock due to the hurricane fall out. He sounds ready to deal.
 
Anyone else feel free to chime in! I can't really seem to locate any documentation on the web to verify if it would have a carrier bearing. Anyone know ant websites that would help?
I've worked after tonight 40 hours ot since last Thurs. I'm roached.
 
Anyone else feel free to chime in! I can't really seem to locate any documentation on the web to verify if it would have a carrier bearing. Anyone know ant websites that would help?
I've worked after tonight 40 hours ot since last Thurs. I'm roached.

I've already said 4 times that theres a 99 percent chance its a one piece driveshaft; it has been in every dodge truck that I have worked on except club cab. theres no reason for a two piece in that truck unless it was changed to a two piece
 
I am pretty certain they all have one piece driveshafts until you get up to the 2 ton trucks. We have 4 W200s and they all have one piece driveshafts, including the club cab. Sounds like its a more serious internal problem in the driveline to me. I wouldn't pay more than 2000 cause it's not really desireable at all being a longbed 2wd 3/4 ton. The body is nice on it though, but I've got a 78 3/4 ton 4x4 Adventurer SE club cab in similar shape with 440, factory a/c, factory trailer brake, dual tanks, appearance package, and optional radio that we got for 2000.
 
If it's been sitting a while,
Could be simple as low fluid or torque converter leaked down or both.
Could be a more serious problem in the trans.
Start it up and let it warm up, idle in neutral. Check fluid level.
 
I thought they were a little rare with a 440. I'm thinking no more than 1500.00 with the issues. I swear it felt like the rearend. Hard to believe a Dana would crap out with low mileage. I wish I could talk to the po or original owner. I would say mileage correct due to shape of interior. Thanks guys. Just took a percoset for my back. Not workin tonight due to goin to back Doc. 5 doubles is enough.
 
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