Cost of Driving an EV

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bobscuda67 said:
Yes! I would question all of it. They have an agenda and you can see it in their findings.
And what kind of ICE car are they comparing it to? A high MPG econobox?
My daughters car has Hellcat Charger performance under her foot, which is scary.
I wonder what the total cost would be for a Hellcat vs the Tesla?
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Couple of things to consider.

1. If step on the accelerator in either case, you use more energy. Tanks empty and batteries drain. Need more power, they both drain faster.
2. I am "guessing" It's the econo version since "I" believe most people are after the economic rewards.

I don't think they are trying to sway anyone one way or the other. They clearly state they are trying to inform a buyer of an EV of the added costs and issues that need considering. The average person has NO clue about most of this stuff.
 
Cuda416 said:
The average person has NO clue about most of this stuff.
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Ain't that the truth. I always wondered about the road use taxes and such. I figured they just tack it on to registration fees or something. They've gotta get their money somehow I guess.
 
mopowers said:
Ain't that the truth. I always wondered about the road use taxes and such. I figured they just tack it on to registration fees or something. They've gotta get their money somehow I guess.
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how long ago was it that EV's had an exemption? Tax breaks and such made them more attractive to purchase.
 
I have no clue how most of the stuff works.
I have looked thru the study findings and seen they compared the Tesla to the econoboxes.
It's like apples and oranges. No comparison.
It has no mention about the government subsides the fossil fuel industry receives. Or if the electric grid has subsides for the charging stations.
There is a more cost than what they published.
 
mopowers said:
Ain't that the truth. I always wondered about the road use taxes and such. I figured they just tack it on to registration fees or something. They've gotta get their money somehow I guess.
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Some weigh over 5000#. They should pay their share. Highways aren't cheap to build. And then there's the maintenance!

"Construct a new 4-lane highway — $4 million to $6 million per mile in rural and suburban areas, $8 million to $10 million per mile in urban areas."

Charge them a big disposal fee for the hazardous waste when the batteries are replaced/recycled.
Experts say electric vehicle batteries can catch fire, release hazardous gases or even explode under certain conditions. Such dangers have inspired a national conversation about how to deal with EVs after accidents. ... They also contain hazardous materials and can explode if disassembled incorrectly
 
$25-$35 per month.

Why don't "they" just add a surcharge to the cost of electricity to replace the revenue lost from the gas tax?

That would be way easier to deal with than a per mile road use tax.
 
toolmanmike said:
Some weigh over 5000#. They should pay their share. Highways aren't cheap to build. And then there's the maintenance!

"Construct a new 4-lane highway — $4 million to $6 million per mile in rural and suburban areas, $8 million to $10 million per mile in urban areas."

Charge them a big disposal fee for the hazardous waste when the batteries are replaced/recycled.
Experts say electric vehicle batteries can catch fire, release hazardous gases or even explode under certain conditions. Such dangers have inspired a national conversation about how to deal with EVs after accidents. ... They also contain hazardous materials and can explode if disassembled incorrectly
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And ICE vehicles can catch fire, release hazardous gasses and even explode too.
Commercial l aircraft can and have done the same thing.
 
YY1 said:
$25-$35 per month.

Why don't "they" just add a surcharge to the cost of electricity to replace the revenue lost from the gas tax?

That would be way easier to deal with than a per mile road use tax.
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They do. You get a surcharge for road use taxes every year.
 
bobscuda67 said:
And ICE vehicles can catch fire, release hazardous gasses and even explode too.
Commercial l aircraft can and have done the same thing.
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Puncture a gas tank, see what happens... you'll get a leak and "maybe" a fire, that can be extinguished. Rarely to cars explode from the gas.

Puncture a Lithium Ion battery, see what happens... Once one of those batteries starts burring, forget it, anything around it is done. They don't even try to stop it, just contain it as far as I know. Maybe one of our first responder types can chime in on that.


EV fires are a WHOLE other ball game.
 
Cuda416 said:
Puncture a gas tank, see what happens... you'll get a leak and "maybe" a fire, that can be extinguished. Rarely to cars explode from the gas.

Puncture a Lithium Ion battery, see what happens... Once one of those batteries starts burring, forget it, anything around it is done. They don't even try to stop it, just contain it as far as I know. Maybe one of our first responder types can chime in on that.


EV fires are a WHOLE other ball game.
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Yes. It is. So maybe firefighters need to be trained how to deal with battery fires. And have the equipment to contain it.
 
bobscuda67 said:
Yes. It is. So maybe firefighters need to be trained how to deal with battery fires. And have the equipment to contain it.
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I agree, but were ARE talking about additional cost associated with EV's, so this further adds to the overall cost.
 
The EV's have their drawbacks for sure but it is the future and we can embrace it or just ship all the manufacturing and technology to China and let them sell it to us.
 
bobscuda67 said:
The EV's have their drawbacks for sure but it is the future and we can embrace it or just ship all the manufacturing and technology to China and let them sell it to us.
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Likely that's already done...

I'm not opposed to EV's, I'm opposed to the current power source.... That will hopefully change but it won't be for a long time.
 
toolmanmike said:
I will read this later but it looks pretty comprehensive. On the Move: Unpacking the Challenges and Opportunities of Electric Vehicles | Article | EESI
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I'll have to read that when I get a chance.
Not to change the subject but my mother has 60 acres of farmland and she was approached by solar energy company to install 60 acres of solar panels on her property. Several property owners were approached too.
It just goes to show you that electricity power generation is needed for the future for EV's.
 
And that 60 acres my mom has is presently used for growing corn for ethanol in gasoline.
The switch from gasoline to electric is happening now.
It won't affect me as I won't live to see it but my grandchild will.
 
diymirage said:
what about when you charge one?

overnight, electricity is less expensive then during the day
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That's because less than 1% of the cars are EV's, see what happens when they are only 10% of vehicles to those "overnight" rates......sigh......
 
bobscuda67 said:
The EV's have their drawbacks for sure but it is the future and we can embrace it or just ship all the manufacturing and technology to China and let them sell it to us.
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That's already happened, & it's only the future because of ignorance & propaganda, better start doin' the math on how many square miles are going to be covered w/solar panels. And where We'll put the trees/green fields.
 
bobscuda67 said:
Yes. It is. So maybe firefighters need to be trained how to deal with battery fires. And have the equipment to contain it.
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They already are, & newer HEV/EV's have an emergency disconnect loop underhood they are able to cut to disable the high voltage system. That's IF They can get to it safely, IF the vehicle isn't damaged to the point of rendering that inoperative, IF it isn't submerged.....etc......etc...
 
All these comparisons are based on today's technology. EV is advancing much faster than conventional internal combustion technologies. And it is going to win. Hell, EV damn near won the production wars of over 100 years ago. When the next generation solid state battery technology mates with let's say hydrogen fuel cell? It's over. Even diesel will not be able to compete for highway use. (Will still be relative in heavy equipment and large rail/ship freight.)

The bottom line? Electric motors are more efficient and have a superior torque curve than fuel engines. So no sence arguing the inevitable. There will still be support for classic car enthusiasts. It's not one or the other. We can be excited about newer generation transportation technologies. As well as appreciate the "Cool" factor of the past?
 
Cuda416 said:
how long ago was it that EV's had an exemption? Tax breaks and such made them more attractive to purchase.
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Read, "subsidised by other tax payers", glad I could help somebody else buy a vehicle I never would. Like cash for clunkers......get "free" money to trade the Navigator in on a RAV4, but the gal drivin her old ecobox gets no help to step up to a new one, that's penance for doin' the "right thing" first..
 
cojohnso said:
All these comparisons are based on today's technology. EV is advancing much faster than conventional internal combustion technologies. And it is going to win. Hell, EV damn near won the production wars of over 100 years ago. When the next generation solid state battery technology mates with let's say hydrogen fuel cell? It's over. Even diesel will not be able to compete for highway use. (Will still be relative in heavy equipment and large rail/ship freight.)

The bottom line? Electric motors are more efficient and have a superior torque curve than fuel engines. So no sence arguing the inevitable. There will still be support for classic car enthusiasts. It's not one or the other. We can be excited about newer generation transportation technologies. As well as appreciate the "Cool" factor of the past?
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Hydrogen fuel cells are still way too dangerous, as are supercapacitors. The SC's are also plagued with rapid degradation and density problems.

I'd LOVE to see a safe hydrogen fuel cell, that's ideal. And I agree, it's only a matter of time before someone figures something out. In the mean time, they are making huge strides on the rest of the tech which is great. By the time the power source is figured out, maybe they'll be flying. haha
 
Killer6 said:
Read, "subsidised by other tax payers", glad I could help somebody else buy a vehicle I never would. Like cash for clunkers......get "free" money to trade the Navigator in on a RAV4, but the gal drivin her old ecobox gets no help to step up to a new one, that's penance for doin' the "right thing" first..
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We have been subsidizing both the automotive and fossil fuel industry for decades. It's not even close.
 
cojohnso said:
All these comparisons are based on today's technology. EV is advancing much faster than conventional internal combustion technologies. And it is going to win. Hell, EV damn near won the production wars of over 100 years ago. When the next generation solid state battery technology mates with let's say hydrogen fuel cell? It's over. Even diesel will not be able to compete for highway use. (Will still be relative in heavy equipment and large rail/ship freight.)

The bottom line? Electric motors are more efficient and have a superior torque curve than fuel engines. So no sence arguing the inevitable. There will still be support for classic car enthusiasts. It's not one or the other. We can be excited about newer generation transportation technologies. As well as appreciate the "Cool" factor of the past?
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Sure......the problem is ICE's don't need any more improving, & You're buying fool's gold, the unfortunate thing is once the realities of this fantasy sets in it'll be too late...........& I just purchased a DeWalt push mower & chainsaw. I don't think the reality of the scope of electrical demand has been realized because it's being ignored & hidden by proponents.....just sayin'...
 
Today's EV demands about as much as installing a second water heater.

New housing starts effect the grid WAY more.
 
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