Crankshaft info and numbers?

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gagembassett

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I'm toying around and learning a little but I was on Bryant Crankshafts website and was seeing what all numbers it takes to custom order a crank. (Never done that nor do I personally know anyone that has custom ordered a crank) I have most numbers put in but the crankshaft counterweight count has me stumped and I feel stupid for having to ask but what's the factory counterweight count on a small block crank? 6 or 8? I would assume 8, one for each piston but like I said. Learning. So pitch in as much info and number that you can as well for this form.
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now like I said, I don't know much about them. Explain to me what the benefit is please


Like everything else, removing the two center counter weights was a cost cutting measure. At the time, engines were ridiculously under square and were run at very low RPM. The pencil pushers, always looking for ways to bleed a turnip for all it’s worth decided the two center counterweights could be removed.

Does it work? Yeah. A bagillion plus miles have been put on 6 counter weight cranks. But they flex more, are harder on bearings and a 6 CW crank isn’t nearly as smooth as an 8 CW crank is and never can be.

Those counterweights offset the weight of the piston assembly, connecting rod, rod bearing and rod pin. There should be center counter weights to off set the weight of the center pistons.

Think of it this way. When you externally balance a crank, its because the counterweights aren’t heavy enough (not enough mass) to offset the weight of the above assemblies. So you add weight to the damper and flywheel OUTSIDE of the crank case. Regardless of how many miles and years guys put on their externally balanced cranks, adding weight to the ends of the crank adds in bending moments to the crank. It’s a cheap assed way to make a crank that doesn’t have enough mass to be used.

Its the same principle when you remove the center counterweight. You are asking 6 counterweights to do the work of 8. And the center of the crank is weaker because there are no counterweights there.

Long strokes (relatively), high RPM and/or both bend the hell out of the crank at the center main bearing and you can see it in the bearings. I dealt with it for a long time. A good damper helps a bit, but it can’t fix missing counter weights.

The cost of CCW cranks would drop by a fair margin IF they quit making 6 counterweigh cranks. Of course, you have the marketing issue because it’s hard to convince someone that what they haven’t had for ever is worth the extra money.
 
I agree, but he asked factory counterweight count. It's 6.

Yeah, I read that wrong. The correct answer is 6 but the correct, correct answer is they should have 8. I think Ford was the first to get rid of the CCW’s but that’s going off of a memory of 40 years ago so take that for what it’s worth lol.
 
Yeah, I read that wrong. The correct answer is 6 but the correct, correct answer is they should have 8. I think Ford was the first to get rid of the CCW’s but that’s going off of a memory of 40 years ago so take that for what it’s worth lol.
Awesome. That makes a ton of sense, I kinda figured I would've been something along those lines but never as to why it was that way. Thank you sir
 
Does anyone even manufacture an 8 counter weight crank? Like is it going to be billet custom?
 
Well this chart is to get an estimate on a custom crank anyways so yes it'll he made
 
Like everything else, removing the two center counter weights was a cost cutting measure. At the time, engines were ridiculously under square and were run at very low RPM. The pencil pushers, always looking for ways to bleed a turnip for all it’s worth decided the two center counterweights could be removed.

Does it work? Yeah. A bagillion plus miles have been put on 6 counter weight cranks. But they flex more, are harder on bearings and a 6 CW crank isn’t nearly as smooth as an 8 CW crank is and never can be.

Those counterweights offset the weight of the piston assembly, connecting rod, rod bearing and rod pin. There should be center counter weights to off set the weight of the center pistons.

Think of it this way. When you externally balance a crank, its because the counterweights aren’t heavy enough (not enough mass) to offset the weight of the above assemblies. So you add weight to the damper and flywheel OUTSIDE of the crank case. Regardless of how many miles and years guys put on their externally balanced cranks, adding weight to the ends of the crank adds in bending moments to the crank. It’s a cheap assed way to make a crank that doesn’t have enough mass to be used.

Its the same principle when you remove the center counterweight. You are asking 6 counterweights to do the work of 8. And the center of the crank is weaker because there are no counterweights there.

Long strokes (relatively), high RPM and/or both bend the hell out of the crank at the center main bearing and you can see it in the bearings. I dealt with it for a long time. A good damper helps a bit, but it can’t fix missing counter weights.

The cost of CCW cranks would drop by a fair margin IF they quit making 6 counterweigh cranks. Of course, you have the marketing issue because it’s hard to convince someone that what they haven’t had for ever is worth the extra money.
So my question is now, could I order a crank with 8 counterweights and drop it in a factory block (high rpm race application) and be fine or would changes have to be made in certain aspects?
 
Oh Man. I want me One of them cranks
well if you have $3,500 you can get one. Got an email back from them on my initial 6 CW version. Waiting for an estimate on the same crank but with 8.
 
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well if you have $3,500 you can get one. Get an email back from them on my initial 6 CW version. Waiting for an estimate on the same crank but with 8.
Maybe. See how much side work I can get in the next couple months.

What stroke and main size are you thinkin?
 
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