i had a moroso pan, removed it after it bottomed out and it took out one of the welds and started leaking, got it fixed and it it bottomed out again, that time it got a bigger hole... put the stock pan on, didnt want to deal with that in my daily driver... wouldnt recommend these unless you use it at the track only or know your not going to bottomg out, which is pretty hard unless miss cleo is with you