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    That would disappoint me as well! Can't blame the module for that, ugh! GM all over it. Why not a Chysler style dizzy? Glad I did the retrofit!
     
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    At the time I didn't know about the difference between a stock dizzy and the Pertronix unit, thought it was similar. I have to add it worked well for a few years and then all of a sudden these problems.
     
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    Whoever you are you have never asked for a refund or repair or you would have gotten it we have NEVER refused to repair or replace any of our products EVER.

    Do you actually think that make the reluctors and pick-up coils? We do warranty them if you have an issue, all you have to do is ask, I've not heard anything about this.

    6 years ago we tried your favorite HEI module, we made 35 of them and recalled them all and replaced with the HRR688 Microprocessor Boxes that we spend 5 years and 10's of thousands of $$ in development and they are flawless.

    Run a HEI module on your test bench and you'll see that it doesn't miss fire it drops output starting at about 3800 as do all stock type transistor based Mopar ECU's and Duraspark boxes, hook it up to your test equipment and run it to 8000 RPM like we do on a full load bank and report your documented findings here.
     
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    • cuda66273

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      We shied away from Pertronix distributors for many years because of this issue also, when we figured out how to limit the timing by machining the slot we built tooling and wrote programs on the CnC for the different amount of mechanical timing we wanted and have setup 1000's since for our own customers and units sent into us by others. It just takes time and ingenuity to figure this stuff out. Since we started distributing Pertronix we have never sold an out of the box unit, we modify all of them before they ever leave here. They are a very good unit right out of the box but after we're done with them they are an Excellent Choice.
       
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        MSD warrants this product to be free from defects in material and workmanship under its
        intended normal use*, when properly installed and purchased from an authorized MSD dealer,
        for a period of one year from the date of the original purchase.

        FBO HRR688 is warranted for 5 years with a .001 rate
         
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          I have the attitude that if your going to run a Mopar then run a Mopar, don't try and Band-aid it with a GM ignition module which is really not much better than a decent Mopar ECU they all perform the same way and are not designed to fire today's fuel formulation. GM modules read a much different voltage signal than a Mopar box and as we found out the reluctor clearance and cranking RPM make a huge difference in the voltage output to signal the control unit and mixing them up is going to create issues when things aren't perfect. To me it's like putting an LS1 in a Barracuda or running a Power-glide transmission behind a 426 Hemi... I just don't like it, I'm a Mopar Guy I can't help myself.
           
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          • mopowers

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            I completely understand. However, the attitude was completely uncalled for.
             
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            I've used FBO ignition boxes/distributors and have known Don for quite some time and he has always been a stand up guy. I have a FBO distributor and ignition box in 2 of my 3 cars and they have worked well. One is in my stock 340 Demon and has been in it for 10 years and still works with no issues. Give Don a call if you have a problem I'm sure he will sort it out for you.
             
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              WARNING: if you go with his distributor setup he will tell you to use the manifold vacuum port on your carb. BAD IDEA for street driving but he will preach it to you non-stop. You will lose engine braking and your car will be more sluggish off the line.


              If you had any idea of how a vacuum can works you would understand why when we set up the distributor it's designed to run Manifold Vac and not OBD 1 computer controlled timing for emissions engines. How can your car lose braking power when you have more vacuum?

              Maybe you should get a copy off my book so you know how all this stuff works.... over 30,000 Mopar enthusiasts have read it and they now understand.
               
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              • cuda66273

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                So this guy who has been in the Mopar business for nearly 30 years lives and breathes Mopar everyday and many of you that have quality parts have probably dealt with him over the 3 decades. We have had a solid business relationship with his company since he was still in high school. He has seen 1st hand the dedication and work we've put into our products. He can run any ignition products he wants and he chooses FBO every time.

                The naysayers are welcome to order one of our new and the only Truly Digital ECU's, tear it apart and reverse engineer it, try and improve on it if you think you can make something better.
                Or write a check and buy me out, company for sale I'm ready to retire.
                 
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                Get em...
                 
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                I am not sure if you are Don or some other employee of FBO Systems, but this statement is am outright lie. I purchased an 850 Mighty Slayer Demon from you years back that was delivered with float bowls filled with foam and and metal chips, and a booster that was drilled into from the bottom. You modified air bleeds as part of an upgrade package that looked like they were put in by a two year old. When I called you about it and tried to get resolution on it you told me to pound sand and it was my problem. I sent you emails requesting resolution on it and a refund of my shipping fees and you never replied back. If you're thinking about denying it here, it's probably a bad idea as I still have the emails and would be delighted to share them with the world. If you would like to try to make this right after 9 years, I'd be delighted (I still have the piece of crap sitting on my shelf). If you don't, this will show your true colors and this post will be out here for all to see for eternity. Of course I would be obligated to share the email chain if you choose not to. What do you have to say to that cuda66273?

                My apologies to the original poster for hijacking the thread but people that talk a good game but don't back it up are my pet peeve.
                 
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                  I was also screwed by FBO and stand by my comments in post #4. I try to support smaller vendors and most times it works out.
                   
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                    I think people are looking for a magic bullet ignition system.
                    It does't exist from my reading.
                    Everything in life is a compromise, probably.
                    And everyone wants to think the motor oil the chose is the best.
                    And some people will never be happy.

                    I read things about a certain engine re-builder who does good priced standard package engines.
                    All good reviews.
                    But there is one "flyer" from a guy across the country who wasn't happy with his engine.
                    Two questions.
                    Why did he chose this engine re builder far away when there are MOPAR specific builders closer to him?
                    Why did he not go with one of their proven package engines and ask for some weird stuff in HIS engine build?

                    Old news is old news. Where is MSD made now?
                    17 years ago I had an MSD that stranded me in my 340 Challenger.
                    After that I put a terminal block in the car with an Orange box. If the MSD ever failed again I could swap the wires and get me home.
                    Odd that the MSD would not run but the Orange box would.

                    So I just bought the FBO box and coil to go in my daily driver because I want plug and play if something fails in voodoo electronics. It looks like a quality product.
                    It is "reasonably" priced. (Really, look at the cost of things now).
                    And our choices at O'vancezone are not good for a Chrysler ECU.

                    No, the car still won't do wheel stands.
                    I can tell you that something strange is going on with my gas millage.
                    I'll report back if it has improved as much as I think it has.
                     
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                      If you notice in post #29 Don (or the FBO employee) says "repair or replace". The thing is, I don't want his garbage product (in my case a broken distributor) repaired or replaced. I want a refund. It sounds like you want a refund also. He outright refuses to give refunds if he delivers something broken.

                      I have the emails from Don also and would gladly show the world, unless he wants to make it right. It's sad it's come to this forum post to try and push him to do the right thing.
                       
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                        All I ever wanted was for him to replace the carb with one that wasn't damaged and to refund my money for having to ship it back to him. All he needed to do was replace the booster and put new metering blocks in it. Instead he took the stance that the damaged parts didn't matter and were my problem to deal with. I don't remember what the total purchase price was but it was close to $1000 with the additional fees to customize the carb for my setup. I don't know about anyone else on the list, but when I spend that much money on a new part, I expect it to be a new and undamaged part; not an incompetently modified piece with a manufactured defect.

                        Still waiting Don...What say you?
                         
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                          I'm watching for results on this too. The silence from FBO is starting to tell the story.
                           
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                            Because I am a fair man I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he may not have read any of the replies after his post. It doesn't look like he posts very often, so he may not be out here as regular as some of us. If we get to the middle of next week and there is no reply, then I think that will be pretty telling that he just doesn't care and is willing to screw anyone he can.
                             
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                            Do you think i sit on this Gossip site all day? I'll get to it but I want a name, the date of purchase what the product is so I can reference it.

                            I don't post here because of all the gossip and BS posted here it's a total waste of my time and I WILL NOT respond to these issues in a ridiculous forum, you have a problem then call me during regular business hours 8-3 Monday to Thursday. I do not conduct busineson a gossip page.

                            And do not threaten me with extortion!
                             
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                            I'm not looking to buy ignition parts, but given your attitude, if I were, it wouldn't be from you.
                             
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                              Don't get your panties in a bunch. I'm following this to see how it ends up. I'm not the extortionist. I remember you from Too Much, I wouldn't buy anything from you.
                               
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                                Oh crap...the skeletons are out of the closet now. Too Much was just Much Too Much.

                                And the phone number was 1-two-two-kwik.

                                I'm not sure if more than 2-3 engines went out of there before it went tits up. I know I had to fix a few things from there.

                                I still have a Tee shirt from that shop. I keep it as a reminder that good intentions don't mean much. See what I did there??? It's an inside joke!!!!
                                 
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