Ignition Coil ?

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dimagg

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Hello,
I want to convert my 71 Valiant/170 CID from points to stock electronic Ignition.
Question: Will it work well with the stock coil or do I need a newer one? And
if I go with a Pertronix FlameThrower coil with 3 ohm primary res can I throw the
ballast ressistor away ? I hope you can help me out.
thanx in advance
dimagg
 
No. You don't have to change the coil. You do have to change the ballast resistor.
 
hello krazykuda thanx,
yes, I know I have to change to the balast resistor
which will come with the conversion kit, but can I
leave that away with that pertronix coil?
dimagg
 
hello krazykuda thanx,
yes, I know I have to change to the balast resistor
which will come with the conversion kit, but can I
leave that away with that pertronix coil?
dimagg


I've never had to change the coil when I've done an electronic conversion.
 
Yes, with a 3 ohm coil you don't need (or want) the ballast resistor since the needed resistance is built into the coil.

The only downside is that while cranking you don't get the brighter spark from "no ballast" current, but apparently that isn't needed with e-ign since I think Mopar went to ballasted coils in later cars.
 
Thank you BillGrissom,
that is exactly what I need to know. So you mean wthout the ballast the engine
will not start so good?
 
Ramblings from the Old, the Bad, and the Ugly

1......Changing from a conventional factory type coil to one which "does not need" a ballast is a DOWNGRADE

2......Just about all US 12V cars used the ballast system, and here is WHY. The ballast / coil combo was designed to run as the car was going down the road with the system at 14V. This provided a varying voltage to the coil, depending on RPM, of some 8--11V plus or minus.

But when STARTING, battery voltage can sag way down, especially in winter, left the lights on, or both. So a BYPASS circuit connects the coil direct to the battery during "crank," and so you STILL have 10V or so at the coil for starting........a hot spark

If you use an "internal ballast" coil or one which does not need one, you lose the cranking bypass

3.......If you use a factory equivalent coil and ballast as in "original" and you use a Mopar 4 pin ECU you do not need to change anything. You will see the diagrams RE: the 5 pin box and 4 pin resistor. Unless you get an older Mopar ECU out of a junk yard, you will NOT have a 5 pin box. You cannot tell by looking. Many aftermarket, replacement boxes have 5 physical pins. If you don't know what you have, you must "ohm" the 5th pin to the others to determine if it goes anywhere.

4.....If you use a GM HEI module, you can use a factory coil and eliminate the ballast, and gain some ground with a hotter spark. This is the one case where the bypass circuit "does not matter." The reason is because of the way the HEI works. It "fires" the coil "harder" and produces more spark. I use a 30? year old factory coil on my Dart with an HEI, and it works just fine.
 
Hello,
I want to convert my 71 Valiant/170 CID from points to stock electronic Ignition.
Question: Will it work well with the stock coil or do I need a newer one? And
if I go with a Pertronix FlameThrower coil with 3 ohm primary res can I throw the
ballast ressistor away ? I hope you can help me out.
thanx in advance
dimagg

1973 Dart electronic distributor
1973 Dart ballast resistor
Quality ECU of your choice
Mopar Performance wire harness
Your stock coil

Bullet proof Chrysler electronic ignition, that will serve you for years to come.
 
... So you mean wthout the ballast the engine
will not start so good?
67Dart273 explained it perfectly. However, he didn't explain why Mopar later used ballasted coils (I think), which seems to have worked fine (if you can call any 85-95 car "fine"). If your battery does get low, it will make starting doubly hard.

Coil PN's and data can be confusing. I have one stamped "for use with electronic ignition" I recall taking off a 90's RAM Van w/ V-8. The low voltage side measured ~2.5 ohm (tricky to measure), so I assume internally ballasted. I have it on my 65 Newport, without a firewall ballast, using a Crane XR700 (optical) that needs a ballast (best I can tell from instructions).

In my 65 Dart, I connected IGN1 & IGN2 at the starter switch, and run just IGN1 thru the firewall in my new wiring. Since I have an XR700 on it (temporary), I needed a ballast for my original coil (<1 ohm), so wired one in-line beside it to make it a "ballasted coil". Don't drive the car enough to say much about starting, though it fires right up, even though the ballast isn't bypassed during cranking.

For those that use Pertronix ignition, the original Ignitor needs a ballast, whereas Ignitor II or III don't. Any ignition control that requires a ballast is older fashioned (no dwell time time control). Read KitCarlson's posts for much info. Johnny Dart always claims the Chrysler ECU is bullet-proof and problem free, but most people here carry a spare module in the glove-box, many report failures w/ photos of "black slime" leaking out the bottom. Seems much worse now that companies are putting whatever fakery inside the imported boxes.
 
Bill....The sky is falling, get in the house Quick !!!!

If you had a spare part for everything that could go wrong on a car, you would have to bring a follow van.
And if you were broke down, you would have a lot better chance of gettting a Chrysler ECU/Ballast, than a Pertronix. Thats fact.

The only black slime I have ever seen from an ECU is MeMikes car, and it got hit by lightning !!!!!!

I stand by my claim that the Chrysler electronic ignition system is one of the best ever designed.
With millions of miles to prove it.
 
Thank you Guys,
the set up is: 4-Pin ECU, 2-Pin Ballast, reman.elec.dizzy, mopar harness.
So I will try it with a new stock coil.
thanx again
dimagg
 
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