Just joined.....have questions

[H Monster]

Not sure if I'm in the right forum.....if not, point me in the right direction.

I recently bought a piece farm equipment dating back to around 1972, which is powered by a 318 Chrysler. Engine is not original. It is a replacement scrounged up from somewhere.

My reason for coming here was to be able to ask questions about the engine....mainly so I can ID the thing so I can find parts for it, but also to understand it and keep it running in tip top shape. Found you guys when I tried to track down the engine block off the series number.....4104230-318-16. I think the date stamp says 2-15-83. No R, X or anything I can find, and no vin# where it was supposed to be. So NOT a race engine, but what is it? Crate engine? Industrial? Finally got her started yesterday and she purrs pretty nice, whatever she is.

Anyway, if this is an OK place to hang out, I'll start asking questions on the engine forum. Seems like more than one or two well informed guys hanging out there.

 

[barbee6043]

Welcome.. This is a great site to ask questions and learn.

 

[Tooljunkie]

I have 2 blocks with those casting numbers. Near as i can figure that was a factory replacement engine. Nothing fancy. If your machine is from that era, then that was what chrysler supplied to the manufacturer.

 

[loganscuda]

Please post pictures. It helps a lot if you can do that. The more information you share the more information you will get. There are plenty of sharp people here. If you don’t get a reply right away wait a bit and they will come. Post in the engine thread for 318 help and they will come. They might not always look at the welcome thread. Glad your here. Welcome from Texas.

 

[H Monster]

Thanks guys. Wasn't sure if joining here was bad form or not. Home page says for A bodies only. This beast has the engine for one, but not the body. And it seems there is a family of these "for ? bodies" sites, but didn't find one for pickups or industrials. Probably doesn't matter....engine is the same and that is what I need help with. And as far as I can tell......this is the place to go for experienced help. Thanks again.......

Off to the engine forum!

PS: Some of you will probably be amused to see how this thing was put together. A real piece of good old fashioned redneck engineering.

 

[Tooljunkie]

Fortrucksonly.com
Thats the truck forum. Actually,theres linkies at the bottom ‘o the page...

 

[69FBCuda]

SB Mopar in farm equipment, that right there gets my blood pumping. cant wait for photos.

 

[flingdingo]

There's plenty of non A-body content floating around here. I always enjoy seeing industrial or farm equipment with automotive engines. I almost bought an air compressor that was made out of a flathead Ford a couple months ago.

So welcome! and post some pics!

 

[krazykuda]

Not sure if I'm in the right forum.....if not, point me in the right direction.

I recently bought a piece farm equipment dating back to around 1972, which is powered by a 318 Chrysler. Engine is not original. It is a replacement scrounged up from somewhere.

My reason for coming here was to be able to ask questions about the engine....mainly so I can ID the thing so I can find parts for it, but also to understand it and keep it running in tip top shape. Found you guys when I tried to track down the engine block off the series number.....4104230-318-16. I think the date stamp says 2-15-83. No R, X or anything I can find, and no vin# where it was supposed to be. So NOT a race engine, but what is it? Crate engine? Industrial? Finally got her started yesterday and she purrs pretty nice, whatever she is.

Anyway, if this is an OK place to hang out, I'll start asking questions on the engine forum. Seems like more than one or two well informed guys hanging out there.

Welcome to FABO....

Read this thread on how to ID a small block:

How to ID a Small Block Engine Block:

 

[66fyssh]

Welcome to FABO!!!

If you have a question about a 318, there's lots of very knowledgeable folks here that can answer them.

Come on man, we need pics of this thing!!

 

[H Monster]

Here she is in raw form.......she has been sitting under a shade tree for the past 5 years plus (not run for that long). Used to scoop up small square bales of hay. The ultimate weapon for that use. They were only made for a few years before big round bales made them obsolete. This was commercial made and the guy who designed it was a brilliant self taught engineering type who invented and patented a whole bunch of stuff. Engine he chose to put in it in the early 70's was a 318 Chrysler. Has a 4 speed New Process Gear model 540 tranny. Plate says ratio is 741, which I assume is a low speed rear end?

To get her running, replaced a 75 gallon steel gas tank with 19 gallon fuel cell, had carb kit installed, new starter, new starter switch and new ignition wiring. Plan to make a new wiring harness, install all new gauges, new master brake cylinder, new clutch cylinder (had been converted to a high friction cable system). Farm equipment, so does not need tags. Has nearly straight pipe duel exhaust with glass packs.

My "dirt road" rod!!!

 

[Car Nut]

aboard!

 

[H Monster]

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Read this thread on how to ID a small block:

How to ID a Small Block Engine Block:

Well that was helpful. I spent nearly a day trying to find that type of information and couldn't do it. Did find one youtube similar to that, but he showed the vin plate in another location. But I checked and my vin tag is blank. So an engine that wasn't installed in a factory vehicle.

Makes no difference to me, except when you go to an auto parts store and they want to know what vehicle it is from so they can look it up on their computer. Their computer doesn't have this thing in it and the original 318 from 1972 has been replaced with this one from 83. So one thing I need to be able to tell them is a make believe engine they can look up to find me parts, like gaskets, etc.

Also not sure when the engine swap was made what stayed and what was new. Carb is a Carter BBD, and is likely the original. As you might expect, carb ID tag is missing.

 

[RSie]

Not sure if I'm in the right forum.....if not, point me in the right direction.

I recently bought a piece farm equipment dating back to around 1972, which is powered by a 318 Chrysler. Engine is not original. It is a replacement scrounged up from somewhere.

My reason for coming here was to be able to ask questions about the engine....mainly so I can ID the thing so I can find parts for it, but also to understand it and keep it running in tip top shape. Found you guys when I tried to track down the engine block off the series number.....4104230-318-16. I think the date stamp says 2-15-83. No R, X or anything I can find, and no vin# where it was supposed to be. So NOT a race engine, but what is it? Crate engine? Industrial? Finally got her started yesterday and she purrs pretty nice, whatever she is.

Anyway, if this is an OK place to hang out, I'll start asking questions on the engine forum. Seems like more than one or two well informed guys hanging out there.

You came to the right place to ask about mopar stuff! If there's one thing I've learned being on here, is there are a lot of people here that know their stuff! And are more than willing to help out.
Welcome to FABO!
Who knows.. ya might find a little Dart somewhere.. then you'll be hooked

 

[RSie]

Here she is in raw form.......she has been sitting under a shade tree for the past 5 years plus (not run for that long). Used to scoop up small square bales of hay. The ultimate weapon for that use. They were only made for a few years before big round bales made them obsolete. This was commercial made and the guy who designed it was a brilliant self taught engineering type who invented and patented a whole bunch of stuff. Engine he chose to put in it in the early 70's was a 318 Chrysler. Has a 4 speed New Process Gear model 540 tranny. Plate says ratio is 741, which I assume is a low speed rear end?

To get her running, replaced a 75 gallon steel gas tank with 19 gallon fuel cell, had carb kit installed, new starter, new starter switch and new ignition wiring. Plan to make a new wiring harness, install all new gauges, new master brake cylinder, new clutch cylinder (had been converted to a high friction cable system). Farm equipment, so does not need tags. Has nearly straight pipe duel exhaust with glass packs.

My "dirt road" rod!!!

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That's cool! The bucket seat makes it work for me, lol. I didn't know I needed this in my life, but now I need to see that thing smoking the tires on blacktop.

 

[H Monster]

You came to the right place to ask about mopar stuff! If there's one thing I've learned being on here, is there are a lot of people here that know their stuff! And are more than willing to help out.
Welcome to FABO!
Who knows.. ya might find a little Dart somewhere.. then you'll be hooked

Ironically, there is just such a Dart parked in a new shop/shed about 100 yards from where this thing is parked. My neighbor is a Dodge guy to the core*. Also, guy I bought this place from about 4 years ago kept a 70's era Dodge (seem to recall is was a Challenger) that he took to the drag strip. Shop he worked on that in is about 50 feet from this thing. So hallowed ground!

*I should add, a busy Dodge guy. Works about 80 hours a week and is only off on Sunday and works longer hours doing stuff at home on Sundays than he does at regular work. So too busy these days to help out much. But if not for him, never would have figured out the right carb kit.

 

[famous bob]

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Here she is in raw form.......she has been sitting under a shade tree for the past 5 years plus (not run for that long). Used to scoop up small square bales of hay. The ultimate weapon for that use. They were only made for a few years before big round bales made them obsolete. This was commercial made and the guy who designed it was a brilliant self taught engineering type who invented and patented a whole bunch of stuff. Engine he chose to put in it in the early 70's was a 318 Chrysler. Has a 4 speed New Process Gear model 540 tranny. Plate says ratio is 741, which I assume is a low speed rear end?

To get her running, replaced a 75 gallon steel gas tank with 19 gallon fuel cell, had carb kit installed, new starter, new starter switch and new ignition wiring. Plan to make a new wiring harness, install all new gauges, new master brake cylinder, new clutch cylinder (had been converted to a high friction cable system). Farm equipment, so does not need tags. Has nearly straight pipe duel exhaust with glass packs.

My "dirt road" rod!!!

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I knew what was the minute I saw the pic---rare !
We had a big 1941 massey harris farm tractor w/ a 6 cyl Chrysler in it
= dangerously scary !

 

[cosgig]

Here she is in raw form.......she has been sitting under a shade tree for the past 5 years plus (not run for that long). Used to scoop up small square bales of hay. The ultimate weapon for that use. They were only made for a few years before big round bales made them obsolete. This was commercial made and the guy who designed it was a brilliant self taught engineering type who invented and patented a whole bunch of stuff. Engine he chose to put in it in the early 70's was a 318 Chrysler. Has a 4 speed New Process Gear model 540 tranny. Plate says ratio is 741, which I assume is a low speed rear end?

To get her running, replaced a 75 gallon steel gas tank with 19 gallon fuel cell, had carb kit installed, new starter, new starter switch and new ignition wiring. Plan to make a new wiring harness, install all new gauges, new master brake cylinder, new clutch cylinder (had been converted to a high friction cable system). Farm equipment, so does not need tags. Has nearly straight pipe duel exhaust with glass packs.

My "dirt road" rod!!!

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Nice find! You better keep that up and running because they are outlawing the big round bales. Seems that cows aren’t getting a square meal anymore!!

Welcome to FABO, glad to have you with us.

 

[4spdragtop]

Welcome aboard! Very cool piece. That engine is one of the most reliable engines built ever, by anyone.
You wont need many trips to the parts store lol. Post pics of engine if you can.
#'s on intake?manifolds?
Oh when you say 741, are you talking the rear end has it cast in it?
Pics of rear end too please.
My grandparents were farmers, best years of my life, a dodge guy too.

 

[H Monster]

If you are from a rural area of Oklahoma or Kansas, you would know. They made near Wichita and dispersed from there. This one came from near Wichita.

Yup, not too many were made (I'd guess less than 500......nobody seems to know exact number). They only made them for a few years in the early 70's. Some nice ones that have been maintained still exist, but are very hard to find. This one is being brought back from the dead. Once we go through the engine and all the mechanicals and get her painted up, she will look a lot different.

 

[H Monster]

Series number off the block. Again, no VIN that I can find.

Plate off the tranny.......what does 741 ratio mean?

Don't have a picture of the rear end.

(Also, leaving soon for a long day trip, so after this may not be responding till tomorrow).

 

[H Monster]

Doing a little more research into the NP 540 transmission......found this guys EXCELLENT site. Even though it is for a Chevy truck, the links and resources he has documented will be invaluable to me.

The Transmission Page

Transmission Assembly

This seems to be nearly an exact match for my transmission......with one exception. This monster only has 4 working gears.....not 5. Best guess is they only used gears 2, 3, 4 and 5. Reference to 741 would be gear ratio 7.41 for what would have been gear 1 (first gear)......or what we used to call "granny low", which isn't being used via the creative linkage they developed.

The hilarious aspect of this is the shift pattern is upside down and reversed from what it would be when the shifter is directly connected.

At some point in the future, I will check to see if granny low is available. If so, I may see if the shift pattern can be modified to get it working. Would be really helpful in close quarters with a full load on.

 

[H Monster]

So looks like this is a standard issue transmission used in medium duty trucks, like 2 ton farm trucks used to haul grain, dump trucks, etc. Transmission also includes provision for a power take off (PTO) shaft used to drive hydraulic pumps for things like dump hoists, etc.

 

[RAT ROD AL]

Thats a pretty cool piece of equipment. What part of MO. you from. I lived in Lincoln Co. MO. for 30 + years.
Welcome to the site.

 

[66fyssh]

I was thinking the same thing. For the price of a pan gasket you could pull the oil pan and check it out. If you do you might take the rubber seals with you to the parts store when getting a replacement.

Oops... meant for his other thread!