Need pics of stock '64 225 carb/kickdown linkage.

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    Any pics or links would be much appreciated! My neighbor dropped by(he has a '63 Valient) and said I have the wrong linkage. I'll try and post a pic of what is currently in the car when I get home. Thanks again!
     
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    Is it cable or rod style?
     
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    It's a cable from the firewall.
     
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    A-bodies with Slant-6 engines had a rotating-rod throttle linkage with pushrod kickdown through '66 (except '65-'66 cars with factory A/C, which had a cable). If you've got a cable-type throttle linkage, it's non-stock. Here's what the stock '60-'66 rod-type linkage looks like. If you'll show us pics of your setup, we'll be able to see what you've got and advise on whether it needs any changes to work correctly.

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      IMG_1384.JPG This is a '64 with factory air(Not complete. Currently missing compressor/bracket & lines). Could it of had a cable due to the factory air? Might you have a diagram of the factory air equipped linkage setup?[​IMG][​IMG]
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      No. "Factory air" in '64 was just factory installation of the same under-dash add-on A/C unit you could get installed by the dealer. New for '65 was a combination A/C + heater which covered up the area of the firewall where the rod would go through, necessitating the cable. Your '64 would've come with the rotating-rod setup. Here's the '65-'66 factory-air linkage setup. If your car has this, someone put it there after the car was built.

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        Thank you very much for the information. Are those diagrams from the factory manual? Are the linkages attainable in the used market or are they made from unobtainiam? I also need to see how this AC system was originally set up on this car. It has a "Frigidaire" sticker on the inner back window. I have a couple of airboxes but don't know exactly what is missing from the AC system. You can see the dryer and what I think is the expansion valve mounted on the inner fender well.
         
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        You're welcome. Yes, they are.

        The rod-type setup (or parts) will be easier to get hold of than the cable-type setup (or parts). I might have most or all of a rod-type setup stashed in my garage; give me a few days to check and see.

        Check again. Are you sure it doesn't say "AirTemp" like one of these:

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        AirTemp was Chrysler Corp's air conditioning division. Frigidaire was GM's.

        Info on the setup of the AirTemp system is in the factory service manual, which you really should have for your car.

        Errrrr...tilt! You've made me look closer at your pic. That's not a '64 setup you have, it's (parts of) a '65-'66 type factory A/C setup. That horizontal cylinder is the filter-dryer (useless now since it's been open to the air—will have to be either custom-rebuilt or replaced with a different type, since this horizontal style is NLA) but that dingus back by the firewall isn't the expansion valve, it's the heater control valve present only on '65-up A-bodies with factory A/C.

        What's behind that rectangular patch of fluffy stuff on the firewall there? It's hiding what would be (on a '65-'66 factory A/C car) the blower motor, the heater in- and out-pipes, and the A/C evaporator in- and out-pipes, as well as the area where the expansion valve would be.

        You sure your '64 is a '64? If so, it's not 100% '64 any more; someone made an attempt at swapping in '65-'66 factory air. I did that swap into a '65 not originally equipped with air, and it was a GIANT hassle I would never recommend doing. Too much stuff is different, too much cutting and reworking and fiddlefutzing required.
         
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        For someone trying to replicate or do the 65/66 factory AC, those driers are hard to find if you don't have one. Classic Air down in Tampa FL will rebuild that drier and it will come back to you painted and with tightly fitting caps on the in and out ports that can be unscrewed when you are ready to install and seal the system.
         
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          That is not a '64 issue air filter assy. either, that is probably a later engine transplant w/a cable operated carb on it. How about some actual throttle assy. & cable hook-up
          pics. The only ways to use a cable on that ride is to us a v-8 pedal unit with a slanty length cable, or cobble up something else to work. Not sure about kickdown differences
          precisely on the two w/o going out and eyeballing them, and it's dark & cold right now!!!
           
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          Yes, that is a legitimate '64 air cleaner (and a legitimate '64 air cleaner decal). It's the "small 'n' tall" variety described today in this thread.

          There are no details about this engine that suggest it's not a '64 item…but there are no details that suggest it's not a '65 item. There are minor details suggesting it's not a '63 or a '66 motor.

          See post № 6 of this thread; it's not a "V-8 pedal unit". It was used with V8s, and also with Slant motors with factory air in '65-'66.

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          I'd estimate a great many people didn't realize it also came on 65/66 slants with factory integrated heat and AC. It's right there in the FSM, which I believe is one of the 3 books you highly recommend for newbies (and probably some old hands as well lol!)
           
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          I didn't think they started using the "CHARGER 225" label 'till '65, I can only get at one of mine now, it has a yellow label that may be the " use no
          oil" or "use genuine mopar" not really any print left to read. There may have been a larger decal painted over/removed, the other filter I have to find
          & scope it out. I have one of the '62 170 unsilenced filter assemblies from a 4 door '62 Valli, if anybody is interested....................
           
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          The "CHARGER 225" (Dodge) and "SUPER 225" (Plymouth) air cleaner decals were factory-applied in '63-'69.

          The yellow/red decal you're talking about is the "MOPAR" (US) or "CHRYCO" (Canada) air cleaner service instructions. They look like the third decal from the top in this post, with variation in part numbers.

          The '62-only, 170-only (doesn't fit on a 225 and still let the hood close) air cleaner is also discussed in this thread.
           
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          LOL. c'mon Dan, We know everybody usually looking for those pedals are "V-8ing" an early A,....hence the reference. Speaking of reference, the #'s
          in those diagrams for the V-8 and '65-'66 factory A/C cars is the same for the cables......they are different part #'s though right?
           
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          Yep, different part numbers. Those are part type code reference numbers as found in the illustration section of the FPC.
           
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          Sounds like you want to switch to a rod-input linkage. If so, why? Seems your slant car came w/ the cable throttle linkage, so if it works, you should keep it. Matching carburetors are more common than the rod-input type. If you don't have the kick-down linkage, I think the linkage from any 1967-1980's slant engine would bolt up, probably including trucks and vans.

          Re compressor and brackets, I think your car would have used the same Chrysler RV2 compressor used thru the early 1980's, so one from any slant should fit. Those are reliable and easily available, but they are a heavy beast. If you don't care about original, the later Chrysler C-180 compressor is smaller and more efficient. Even better is the Sanden used on some 1977-78 Volare/Aspen but might need a thinner battery for an early-A. There is an AC thread w/ many photos of options.

          Somebody was smart to upgrade your brake master cylinder from the single-pot to a dual system.
           
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          No, the OP doesn't necessarily want to switch throttle linkage, He wants to verify if the kick-down set-up He has is correct based on a friends comment. He may very well
          have the correct one for His cable operated system, which would be different than His buddy's, hence the question. Since SSD has posted the relevant parts diagrams, He
          should know by now. It seems a lot of things were changed/moved, besides the glass fibreboard, & duct-tape on the firewall.........................
           
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          Kinda figured, seems that is still the basic system used only on computers now, click on reference# box highlighted and part#, descriptions, & sometimes dimensions are
          then listed....besides list/retail & cost etc. ......................
          Something I ran into a while ago, I had a parts diagram of the front suspension for an Omnirizon up looking for parts, found the same diagram on another site but the
          reference #'s were labeled differently!?!? I had planned to call the dealer and just tell them the diag.# and reference in the image, but then that,......so what &/or why????
           
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