New 318 roller cam setup

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Prine

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Old 318 (1971 block, 73 340 heads)
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As most of you know, I traded my 1978 Dodge D150 Bigblock pickup for a 1974 Dodge Dart Sport recently.

I have been driving the Dart for about 4 months now, and the very first week after trading for the Dart, I was driving it back to work and it died in traffic...luckily I coasted into a Advance Auto Parts...the fuel pump had went.

Changed that out and added a new fuel filter.

It wasnt a week later I was driving it to back to work after lunch and heard a lifter give out and go to tapping...after a fresh oil change with some Lucas Oil Stabilizer it quieted down but never fully went away....

About the same time, I noticed a basketball sized puddle of coolant under it after a 5-7 mile drive....after a close inspection, discovered it was leaking out of the water pump.

I was feeling less confident about the quality of the work the previous
owner put into this engine.

I went JY'ing like I like to do and found a pretty clean 1987 Chrysler 5th avenue, talked to the yard manager and negotiated for the 318 from it for $150...I pull it, I get whatever was attached.

I pulled it myself with a small bag of tools, and about 2hrs.
I took it back to my shop where I work.

In my free time, after work, a little on Saturdays,

I tore it down and threw away the 2bbl intake, and the smog crap.
The valleys were clean and sludge free....good oil change history.
Chrysler used Moly rings in these and it was obvious...perfect bore conditions....excellent cross hatch. After removing the oil pan and finding no glitter, I was satisfied I had found a good core.

I did not remove the crank, rods, or pistons,....I didnt touch a rod bolt.
I did remove the oil pump and installed a brand new DRY HV oil pump....not primed or anything.

I did not remove the OEM Cam, or lifters or spider.

I did remove the 302 casting cylinder heads, rockers, and pushrods.
I disassembled the heads, and cleaned all the valves, springs, and retainers, locks. I vatted the heads and inspected all the valve seats and combustion chambers. I lapped all the valves to their seats, and lubricated them and installed new valve seals, and reassembled them. No port cleanup, or gasket matching.

I removed all the freeze plugs and flushed the block with B12 Carb spray and compressed air while it was upside down on the stand, and installed all brass freeze plugs with a light coating of High Tack sealer after.

I removed the timing cover and there was some signifigant slack in the Nylon Cam Gear equipped timing set....I removed that and ordered, recieved and installed a TRW True Roller chain set and MP chain tensioner.

I used the Standard Felpro SBM gasket set, and used the cork intake manifold end seals. I torqued the intake down and trimmed the squeezed out cork smooth with the rails.

The old harmonic balancer looked questionable so I ordered, recieved and installed a new harmonic balancer.

I took my time and primed and painted everything on the longblock EXCEPT the valve covers....(long story - I intended to install some MP valve covers but got denied because I didnt have the right bolts!!!)

I started at 7:30am yesterday morning and finished the R&R and had it cranked up and timing set by 6pm last night.
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I couldnt find a good Mopar Turqoise localy so I found a cool Frosty Light Metallic Blue and I think it turned out fantastic.
Sounds good, runs smooth, idles great, and hasnt leaked a drop yet.

Yeah, I am bragging....it cranked off on the 3rd key/start.

I am going to eventually remove the Thermoquad and swap on a Edelbrock 600 that a member here was real careful to pack up and ship out for me
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(it will still probably rebuild) (BUT STILL???)...and see if I like it any better. I have a Holley 650 DP, but I am saving that for my Duster...and its Single Turbo setup.

Questions, Comments?
 
That sure is some fancy packing there. Everything looks good. Bet your glad to have a reliable motor in it now aren't ya.
 
Thanks for the comment. Ya.

This thread is really to cover the point that no one HAS TO have a mega dollar stroker setup....to get a car driving around for many miles to come.

I literally have $389.00 in this swap.

I am at 23 miles and at least 45 minutes, no issues!!!
 
I am gonna do the same type thing with my SS/T when I get home. I'm not gonna pull the heads I am just gonna put on some bolt ons and have fun with it. I am enjoying finding good deals online. So far I have used stainless Gibson headers, new Mopar performance valve covers, used SCT Tuner, and a brand new MPI M1. All for $511. All waiting for me to get home next year.
 
Looks good sounds great! That's a shame the way they packaged that carb.If it's in a flat rate box weight has no bearing on the cost so why not at least pack wadded up newspaper around it? I usually double up the cardboard to keep items safe.
 
I got some gears shipped the same way, except they were beat to dogsnot and torn up.

Sometimes I wonder if people think stuff is hand carried from one destination to the next in the shipping world. LOL

Nice low buck set up.
 
Yup bought some ring and pinion shipped like that too. There was chatter marks on the edge of the pinion teeth from transportation,luckily out of the contact area.

Very cool to see Kelly! Sounds great and Im betting it gets decent mileage.
 
thanks!!!

Harmonic Balancer....$79...Besides the Core Engine....the Harmonic Balancer cost the most.

$150 Engine
$60 Gasket Set
$49 Oil Pump
$40 Water Pump
$70 Timing Set
$26 Timing Tensioner
$79 Harmonic Balancer

So $475 total in parts.
$30 for oil and Filter

I reused the coolant that was in it and had some new coolant to finish topping it all off.
 
I like the idle tone of that stock camshaft. Not too rough, just a little subtle.
 
Man I'd be doing a jig,cane or no cane! I love the way it purrrrs...
 
looks good and sounds good! id love to have a roller block 318...btw, what joker sent that package? what a fool. lol
 
Some of the most fun engines I have had were just like that. Only I'd add a small cam and springs. There are times I don't even look at the bearings. I don't wanna know. If it's factory original, and ran well, No worries.
 
IMO, those motors are greatly under-appreciated.
If you do your homework, you find all sorts of positive build features.
Didn't know about the moly rings- that's cool!

I bought a running, driving 87 FA as a parts car a couple of years ago for $450.
While doing the research, I found myself going "that's cool" many, many times.
Those 302 heads are good parts too, just need bigger valves.
They are low cc and good quench, which means you can run more compression.
That motor is 9:1 from the factory. (and I think 175-185 NET HP)

Anyone have a good roller cam/lifter combo that can be used without any other mods?
Maybe a spring replacement, but no machine work?


That FA is still yeilding parts for my 73 and 74 Chargers (2 bolt M/C and booster, P/W motors, cruise control, and gas tank mounts[I think the 6 way power seat track will work, too]), and gave it's disk brakes to my 66 Coronet.
 
I advocate LA 318/360 Roller Cam Engines (1985-1992) for a handful of reasons.

1. 8.8:1 advertised compression ratio
2. OEM Hardened valve seats
3. 302/308' casting cylinders heads, both proven to be capable castings
4. Simple-Cheap Replacement Parts Availablility
5. All LA bolt on parts fit
6. easy to find core replacement parts in JY's, Diplomat, FA, D/B 100/250
7. Moly Rings used by Ma' (leads to good Bore Conditions long after 100k)

If you add a decent intake/performance carb, headers, free flowing dual exhaust, and a fresh tune up, I would bet either RC~318/360 would make more than 250hp in stock longblock form....probably closer to +/-20, 300 crank hp.

$475 refurb is a winner in my book ! :cheers:

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lol...Nah Louis.

You are Momentarily Confused....

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Right now my Duster is at my friends' shop getting body/paint..for the last 12 months!!!
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This is how My Duster is going to look, once out of paint and reassembled,
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MY Duster...has a Roller Cam 360....My Duster is my toy/dream car.
Here is my Roller Cam 360 that is in the Duster
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THIS Dart....is my wife's project car, that is staying a regular daily driver BUT will get bodywork and painted and the interior gone through, when I get my Duster Driving...with the TURBO.

I am mounting the turbo on the passenger side like this pic
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Hoping the wife lets me get a TiG welder with my income tax return!
 
Sorry Salty Dude..... Cousin Cevidicus has dibs on that carb should Prine decide to part with it. :finga: :eek:ops: :burnout:

:D

Tphhhhhhhhhhh :tongue1: :finga: Ha ha ha ha next time........

IMO, those motors are greatly under-appreciated.


Anyone have a good roller cam/lifter combo that can be used without any other mods?
Maybe a spring replacement, but no machine work?

I agree,

As far as build up parts for these engines go, MoPar springs install without machine work, there spring pressures are listed in the book, "Engines."
I do not think spring pressure will be an issue for most builds. You can match the cam's pressure requirements with the MoPar springs.

IIRC, the MoPar roller rockers are Crane. Do so correct me if I'm wrong though.

The heads can take the 2.02/1.60 or greater valve should the need arise. Porting a 302 head can go far, for a 318.

Your performance is compression ratio limited, as Prine has solved .... with ease, should you want to follow that path.

Which leeds me to you Mr. Prine, where did you get that nice little set up?
I want one.
 
X2,Prine.Salty dog, give me a carb number,I have access to a few unknown T/Qs.
 
I am surprised no one has asked yet....

"Are you gonna tear down the 71 318',....Did you find the cause of the ticking noise?"

The answer is YES, to both unasked questions.

I tore down the 71 318 today, and inspected everything.
I was disappointed to find the timing chain and single roller gear set extremely worn. The Engine WAS infact rebuilt within a recent time frame, torqued and installed with quality materials used, but one fatal mistake.
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The oil deflector ring was installed backwards, against the chain....which rubbed the rivets on the chain links, and stretched the chain from abrasion/heat fatigue.

I was well founded to have been leary, and cautious about the noise, and to have built the new longblock., and now feel relieved to know I have a solid engine that I can rely on to go further than 10-20 miles at a time with.
 
In keeping with the low buck theme why not go reground roller cam?
 
In a word....Money.

There is no performance goal for the Dart...no ET, or magic hp number I am shooting for, or guy at the shop in a Honda, I have to beat.

It needs to meet 3 Criteria

1. Crank up on 10* mornings, 100* days
2. Be female driver friendly (wifes car)
3. Sound like a Decent V8, no funny tapping noises
 
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