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D.Coulter

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here's a question: currently I have the option to run power breaks or manual, the reason I ask is I have a 508/292 in my 340 would It be to much cam for power breaks or am I stuck with manual; would I need a vacuum canister, how's do they perform???? oh yeah I have 4 wheel disc in place.
 
A/J a member here once used this cam with a power brake set up with success! I want to use this cam. How does it do on the street? Can you share combo of cars set gears, intake carb, fuel system etc...:) Oh wait for AJ he may give the details. I have power brakes. But may go manual myself. My pops had a manual dart sport it stopped great!! I tried it myself. Also just a master cylinder declutters engine bay I think.
 
I ran that old purple shaft in a 340 with power brakes back in the 90's. Worked fine and it was a low compression 73 340. Loved the way that cam sounded.
 
As soon as your vacuum rises above about 12 to 14 inches it will work perfectly. If your check-valve works properly then the booster will work almost all the time.
There are a couple of situations where the booster might be iffy;
One is when you are backing out of the carport, with the an automatic, and the engine NOT on choke, after it has been sitting for a long time. But with that cam, you are probably running a pretty loose TC, so at least you won't have to fight engine torque. The solution for me, manual trans, was to just blip the throttle a time or two, to evacuate the chamber, before reversing. After that,I never gave the brakes another thought.
Two is sitting at a stoplight, in gear. It is possible for the vacuum in the booster, to fall below a threshold to provide assist, and then you have to compensate with leg-power. My application was with a manual trans and so I never ran into this. With an auto, just put it into neutral.
Three is a long braking distance with the engine idling below the minimum vacuum. Again with a stick and 11/1 compression, I never experienced this.
Four is multiple brake applications, with the engine at or near idle. This happens in bumper-to-bumper traffic, with the rpm down. For an automatic, this is the deal-breaker. But the good news is that you would be in the same situation with manual brakes,lol. And, you are now at a slow enough speed, that it shouldn't require a whole lot of leg compensation.
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Having said all that; the dual-diaphragm did not work for me. It requires a higher vacuum to stay working. At least mine did. I even took it apart to try and hot-rod it, but there was nothing I could do with it.
I ended up with a large single diaphragm unit from either a 73 Dart, or possibly a 77 Aspen.
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I love my power-brakes, with a 15/16 M/C. I adjusted my pushrod to the minimum length to keep the C-port open and this gave me just the right amount of assist, at all times. My engine, now with a much smaller cam, idles at 10/11 inches.It's a manual trans, and I can drag the engine rpm down from it's 700/750 idle to as low as 550 with a timing retarder. It will pull itself anywhere on a flat,hard,level surface, and the vacuum is way below boost threshold. But the instant after the rpm crosses about 1000/1200rpm/8mph, the booster is back on line.
I am using the KH 4piston calipers, and 10" rear drums with either 7/8s or 15/16 WCs (can't recall at the moment,lol). Works great for my application; street.
 
I am on the fence with this upgrade as well. I am planning some engine work in the future, but in the meantime I am making sure before I add the go, I have the whoa. I get 14" on the vacuum gauge when setting the idle mixture. I am a manual so I think I should be good all the time. Need to decide if it is worth it.
 
Just run manual. There’s no need for power brakes on these cars as long as you size the master cylinder bore correctly.

I've driven A and E bodies with both power brakes and manual brakes, and I've converted all of them over to manual disks with a 15/16" master cylinder. The pedal effort isn't that bad at all with a 15/16" or 7/8" master cylinder. The pedal stroke is slightly longer, but still no where near the floor. And the slightly longer pedal stroke allows for better brake modulation, not like the original 1-1/32" masters that make the brakes almost an on/off switch with a high and hard pedal.

The 15/16" master cylinder that DoctorDiff sells works great on these cars. My Duster is currently still a disk/drum car, but with an adjustable prop valve in the line to the rear you can dial in what you need to the rear disks.
 
The kit I am going to do is a 15/16" master, so hopefully manual will be good enough. It stops pretty good with 4 drums right now. Just never sure which way it is going to pull!

Saves me a couple hundred bucks and the hassle of the power booster! Thanks.
 
I agree with 72Blu. I have manual discs with a 15/16" MC and it works great. Even my little wife (100 lbs soaking wet) has no trouble stopping it when she drives. Another nice thing is it gives you a little more room on the left side with no booster.
 
I prefer manual brakes. Easier, cleaner install, lighter, and IMO easier to dial in. If the pedal effort is a problem due to physical thing, then find a bigger bore M/C.
 
I prefer manual brakes. Easier, cleaner install, lighter, and IMO easier to dial in. If the pedal effort is a problem due to physical thing, then find a bigger bore M/C.

I agree, but you have it backward. A smaller bore master cylinder makes the overall pedal effort easier. That’s why we’re all running 15/16” instead of the stock 1-1/32”. You just have to make sure you have enough pedal stroke, because as the bore gets smaller the pedal travel increases.
 
i agree with 72blu...nice new manual discs with a 7/8" or 15/16" master feels almost like power brakes to me and have excellent pedal feel too.
 
I’ve run both on my car with front discs. Went back to manual. Way better feel.
 
Sounds like plan man!!! If you go to a very aggressive cam vacuum won't be a worry brakes will still be fine and you will free up space on driver side engine area.:) also you can brag that simplicity can function just as good as fancy smancy power antilock bullcrap the auto industry has so badly wanted us to swallow as the best safest braking system ever. :D
 
Sounds like plan man!!! If you go to a very aggressive cam vacuum won't be a worry brakes will still be fine and you will free up space on driver side engine area.:) also you can brag that simplicity can function just as good as fancy smancy power antilock bullcrap the auto industry has so badly wanted us to swallow as the best safest braking system ever. :D

The power booster on one of these cars just makes the pedal easier to push, that’s a whole different ballgame compared to an ABS system.

For the vast majority of drivers out there ABS will kick the crap out of a manual disk car. Unless maybe you’re a professional driver and threshold braking expert, otherwise ABS will stop you faster the large majority of the time. And even if you’re that guy in the rain or snow you’re gonna have a tough time. Traction control and ABS are tough to beat, and their performance is a heck of a lot more consistent.

Simplicity is nice, but it has its limits. I haven’t seen any standalone ABS systems though, so it’s kinda moot. But yeah, the auto industry is right. The new braking systems out there now are much better than anything that ever came on these cars, and better than even the aftermarket stuff you can bolt on.
 
The power booster on one of these cars just makes the pedal easier to push, that’s a whole different ballgame compared to an ABS system.

For the vast majority of drivers out there ABS will kick the crap out of a manual disk car. Unless maybe you’re a professional driver and threshold braking expert, otherwise ABS will stop you faster the large majority of the time. And even if you’re that guy in the rain or snow you’re gonna have a tough time. Traction control and ABS are tough to beat, and their performance is a heck of a lot more consistent.

Simplicity is nice, but it has its limits. I haven’t seen any standalone ABS systems though, so it’s kinda moot. But yeah, the auto industry is right. The new braking systems out there now are much better than anything that ever came on these cars, and better than even the aftermarket stuff you can bolt on.

AMEN !
 
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