Shoddy Pad Insulation Alternative

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pyrogen007

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Is there a good alternative to the shoddy pad insulation under the dash? I found the replacement stuff from DMT but I don't want to go back with that stuff(price is not the reason). I get more than likely no one will ever remove whatever insulation I replace it with but there has to be a better alternative. This car is not a concurs restoration, I want it to be a nice fun driver and I live in the Dallas, TX area. Will any adhesive backed foam type heat/sound insulation work(think dynomat style)? If you have any first hand experience, I'd love to hear it. Car is a 70 Dodge Dart Swinger factory A/C car. Thanks in advance!
 
I am looking for insulation that goes on the underside of the dash area between the A/C box inlet and the vent box, am wanting to stay away from the fibrous stuff.
 
I used DynaMat products to do the inside of my Dart, but didn't want to use the self adhesive stuff on the floor and firewall in case I needed to weld there in the future so I bought the thick DynaPad material (non-adhesive) and glued it to the cardboard pieces that the factory used and used the original factory push in plastic pieces to hold it in place. you can cut the dynapad to actually fit better than the factory pieces. I ran the DynaPad all the way down the firewall and under the carpet and removed the padding that was glued to the carpet. It does not absorb and hold moisture.
 
Years ago while researching this myself, I stumbled across an article documenting the use of an anti-resonation, self-adhesive mat combined with a double foil-sided, non-flammable jute-type mat that was sealed with aluminum duct tape along the seams and edges to very effectively quiet, insulate and seal off the cabins of aircraft.

The main focus was to illustrate that strips of a Dynamat type self adhesive was used to dampen panel vibrations just as effectively as covering large areas. I buy the Dynamat Extreme Bulk Packs on sale and only when there is free shipping, because it is heavy.

The "heavy-lifting" of actually rejecting sound, fumes and heat transfer from passing into the cabin is done by laying out a continuous layer of double foil-sided jute type mat. The trick is to cut the mat into a pattern, much like a tailor does for clothes. Then all the seams and edges are sealed together with that wax paper covered, aluminum duct tape. The entire blanket can be removed in one-piece if needed after releasing the edge tape, and it retains the shape of the interior while on the ground.

On my '70 E-Body hardtop, I covered the interior from the bottom of the front windshield to the bottom of the rear window and from door sill to door sill. I also installed it under my headliner and behind both door panels.

The car sounds like you are in a vault when the door closes. It's actually stunning, and quieter than any of the high end luxury cars I have sat in.

My A-Body is a convertible, but it is still covered from the bottom of the front windshield to the top of the rear seat. It makes a noticeable difference in that car too. Be mindful of covering areas where moisture puddles. I leave an opening in the foil mat over the rear footwells for instance.


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It's easily compressible, and about the same thickness as the factory padding. The carpet in both my cars fits and looks like there's nothing under it.

Look how my Gen IV evaporator mount squeezed it to less than a 1/16" or less in the attached photo.

Similar padding is available at Aircraft Spruce, but at a much higher cost. I found virtually no difference from the pad available at Speedway Motors.
 
I was trying to stay away from the fibrous stuff but I guess if its sandwiched between sheets of aluminum, that would be the best of both worlds. I'll be looking into this stuff very closely. Thanks!

One more question, sounds like you're layering the Dynamat and the double aluminum backed fiber insulation? Or just thin strips placed in the center of a panel?
 
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I ran the single aluminum backed stuff in my 67 Dart and on my 71 Vette. Didn't necessarily need foil on both sides since I was just laying it under carpet and the foil is really more for radiation style heat shielding, but I suppose it also helps with moisture control and just general ease of installation. I only put it under my carpet though, haven't run any up the firewall or anything like that. I do like the idea of covering more surfaces and sealing things off to keep the noise down though. Will have to look into that one of these days.
 
I was trying to stay away from the fibrous stuff but I guess if its sandwiched between sheets of aluminum, that would be the best of both worlds. I'll be looking into this stuff very closely. Thanks!

One more question, sounds like you're layering the Dynamat and the double aluminum backed fiber insulation? Or just thin strips placed in the center of a panel?
I use only a single layer of Dynamat, and see no benefit of layering it. It does slow the heat transfer down, but heat will eventually pass through given enough time. It's main function is to dampen the resonnation of the panels. I;m less concerned about the weight of the Dynamat than an aircraft user would be, so I use full sheets if it will fit to save time. There's little need for 100% panel coverage though. Tap on the panel you are planning on adding Dynamat to, and listen to the dampening effect as you add the Dynamat. At some point, adding more is of diminishing marginal utility.
 
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