So its come down to this!

-

plumkrazee70

Well-Known Member
Joined
May 5, 2013
Messages
3,801
Reaction score
1,502
Location
Medford, Oregon
Hello everyone. I just wanted to share that my 340 is finally complete and am hoping to fire it this weekend. I'm going to be priming it tonight.

I just had a question about fuel, what is the best way to get the fuel to the carb without having to crank on the motor excessively. I know when I prime it (turning over the motor slowly while priming) will get some fuel into the line but maybe not enough to the carb.

Any ideas?

I have pics of the entire build but Here are some of the completed pics:




 
I used my electric pump . it will fill the bowls in a second. make sure your timing is ready to go so it will light right off
 
I used my electric pump . it will fill the bowls in a second. make sure your timing is ready to go so it will light right off


awesome advise. I bring the harmonic balancer around to about 15* and then pull the dizzy cap and line up the #1 plug wire with the rotor. that should be really close. i have my timing light set up before i start it too. the cam run in is gonna get the engine hot as it is but if the timing is way off its gonna compound the prob.


you could unhook the fuel line at your filter in the pic and dribble some fuel down the line to fill the float bowl the hook it back up.
 
I used my electric pump . it will fill the bowls in a second. make sure your timing is ready to go so it will light right off

Unfortunately I only have a mechanical fuel pump. Maybe I could fill the bowls with fuel?

I'm pretty sure I have the timing right on. #1 TDC on compression stroke (#1 cyl. both valves closed) Rotor on dist pointing to #1.
 
awesome advise. I bring the harmonic balancer around to about 15* and then pull the dizzy cap and line up the #1 plug wire with the rotor. that should be really close. i have my timing light set up before i start it too. the cam run in is gonna get the engine hot as it is but if the timing is way off its gonna compound the prob.


you could unhook the fuel line at your filter in the pic and dribble some fuel down the line to fill the float bowl the hook it back up.


Sorry just saw this post. I have the balancer lined up with "0" tab on the cover, will this not be close enough to fire?
 
Sorry just saw this post. I have the balancer lined up with "0" tab on the cover, will this not be close enough to fire?


if you set it at 15* for static time it will be closer to what your going to end up with. everyone does it different. that is just what works for me.
 
Unfortunately I only have a mechanical fuel pump. Maybe I could fill the bowls with fuel?

I'm pretty sure I have the timing right on. #1 TDC on compression stroke (#1 cyl. both valves closed) Rotor on dist pointing to #1.
you could , but you don't want to flood it and wash the cylinders. you should be ok with a mechanical, just keep it running when it fires, you really don't want to be letting it shut off before the cam has been broken in. make sure you have no water leaks and use a flame arrestor of some kind. I turn my idle screw up some too, I also used a running carb that was already tuned. if its right at TDC , you can advance the timing a smidge as well, just to make sure it will run.
 
you could , but you don't want it to flood it and wash the cylinders. you should be ok with a mechanical, just keep it running when it fires, you really don't to be shutting it off before the cam has been broken in. make sure you have no water leaks and use a flame arrestor of some kind. I turn my idle screw up some too, but I also used a running carb that was already tuned. if its right at TDC , you can advance the timing a smidge as well, just to make sure it will run.

Thanks everyone! I will advance the timing a bit. I think turning up the idle screw is a good idea, since the rpm's have to be at 2k - 2500k for break in period.

I will report back with and let everyone knows how it goes.
 
if you unhook the fuel line at your filter and hold it up you can dump gas down the line and it will fill the float bowls. soon as the engine fires it will get the pump going and you will be good to go. oh and i leave the rad cap off and top off the water as it runs. it will burp alot of air out. i like to run them with no thermostat for break in too. it keeps air pockets from staying in the engine before the therm. opens.
 
turkey baster....squirt gas into bowls...or encase of eddy carb..unbolt fuel inlet..squirt gas in there..
 
I use a cheap electric fuel pump with battery terminals on it.
It also has a long enough rubber fuel line that you can also use siphone gas out of tanks if you need to.
 
turkey baster fill the bowls that should keep it running long enough to pull fuel from the tank up to the bowls
 
If you are breaking in a brand new engine, and ESPECIALLY a new cam, you want to be absolutely positively abso abso abso (get it?) CERTAIN that this thing is ready to fire and GO.

I hope you installed the cam re: manufacturer's destructions, using break in lube, and checked the engine for valve interferance.

There are a couple of ways around the fuel problem, in addition to what was already mentioned.

1--One way (be careful of fire!!!!) is to plug the pump output and run a siphon line from a SAFE tank hung from above

2--Another is to buy yourself one of these siphon kits---all the parts stores use 'em, and you should be able to disconnect the line from the carb, and hook this pump up and siphon gas from the tank, through the pump, and into a can. You could even then take the output of the pump and with a squirt or two, fill the carb bowl

36677.jpg


Second do NOT set your timing at TDC. Make certain that the distributor is on no1 on the compression stroke, here: Pay attention to step 3 in the quote below. The timing suggested is just a figure out of the air. You may want to use more like 15* BTC

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=230216

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=210714&page=2

"The thing" about timing traditional V8 engines. This does NOT apply to some V6s (even/odd fire) and some 4 bangers.

"The book" shows how to insert the intermediate shaft, that is the drive gear/ oil pump drive, and if done properly, everything comes out "OK"

THE REASON it is originally done that way is

so the assembly line folk can wrench, repeat

so the plug wires "lay" nice

so the tune up guys "see" what they expect.

The TRUTH is you can close your eyes and drop the drive gear in ANYPLACE, plug the distributor in "any" old way, and and then bring the timing marks up on no1 ready to fire, and plug the no1 wire in wherever the rotor points, and it will run just fine.

If the vacuum can is off interfering with something, you can simply turn it where you want, bring no1 up to fire, and plug the no1 wire into where the rotor is pointing.

HERE IS the steps to setting up an engine dist.

1---It is important to realize, that when the cam timing marks are set "by the book" that is cam at 6 o'clock, crank at 12 o' clock, this is NOT no1 ready to fire, but rather no6 ready to fire.

So you either have to plug in the dist. pointing to no6, or rotate the engine 1 turn

2---After the cam is timed, with the timing marks on TDC, the "book" shows how to insert the intermediate shaft. if yours is incorrect and you want to correct it, you can simply use a large screwdriver and "walk" the gear up out of the helix and move it whichever way it needs

The gear on a small block should have the slot pointing nearly straight inline with the crank, just a tad to the driver side pointing at the front most manifold bolt

A B/RB gear the slot should be essentially inline with the crank

3---With this in place, now bring up the no1 cylinder ready to fire NOT on TDC but rather WHERE you want initial timing to be. There are two ways to do that

A---If either valve cover is off, bring the timing marks up to where you want initial time, IE 10BTC or so for a bone stocker, 15-20 for a "cam" or maybe even a little more for a real hot cam
Look at either the no1 or no6 valves. Whichever set of valves is CLOSED indicates which cylinder is ready to fire. If no 6 are closed, you can either plug the dist. in with rotor pointing to rear (no6) or rotate the crank one turn, and plug the dist in for no1 (rotor pointing forward)

B---If the valve covers are on, pull the no1 plug, stick your finger in the hole, and bump the engine around. When you START to feel compression, watch the timing marks, and bring them up to initial time, IE 10-12 BTC

Now plug the dist. in, rotor pointing forward, and put the vacuum can approximately where it should be.

I always mark the dist. upper rim directly under the no1 tower so I don't have to argue with teh cap.

Rotate the dist RETARD (cw for small block, ccw for B/RB) to "get the slack" out of the drive, then slowly ease the housing back advanced until

the points open if you are using points

or until the reluctor tip is centered in the pickup coil core.

This procedure should get you close enough that the engine will start and run with no fuss. Then of course just take your timing light and adjust from there

An aside.

I'm a HUGE believer in checking actual TDC with a piston stop, which you can make or buy

cca-4795.jpg


Small block intermediate shaft below. The slot lines up with the front left intake manifold bolt. You can walk the gear up and around with a screwdriver

attachment.php


B, RB, 426 hemi:

attachment.php
 
Go to a pharmacy, ask for a kids liquid medicine syringe.

Draw fuel into that and squirt down carb vent tube.
 
Go to a pharmacy, ask for a kids liquid medicine syringe.

Draw fuel into that and squirt down carb vent tube.

Exactly! With the fuel bowls filled completely up that will be more than enough fuel for the engine to run on til the fuel pump primes. It only took my old chevy camaro 350 about 3 or 4 seconds to draw fuel into a 3/8" fuel line to the carb and thats with all new plumbing and tank. So everything was bone dry to start with. You will be fine just priming the carb by filling the bowls through the vent tubes. I would also do it right before your ready to fire the engine over so if you do over fill the carb, the fuel doesn't have much of a chance to run down the intake and the cylinder walls to wash out the oil film.
 
Hello everyone!

I wanted to update this thread. I got the motor started today and the cam broke in, and so far so good! The radiator may need to be replaced (small leak) but so far that is the only issue.

I have to check out the timing this week and do some tweaking.

Thank you for all your help!
 
Good to see that you got it running...congratulations....
 
Does a B/RB motor have to be on TDC or just dropped in?
 
-
Back
Top