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Have always enjoyed it for some reason. Decided that I want to progress beyond the simple point and shoot stuff. Have had my old DSLR camera for what seems to be forever and have never even been off of any of the auto functions on it. I recently bought a used Canon 40D body and a new EF-S lens. After using it for a few weeks I can't help but wonder what kind of pictures it would take if I knew what I was doing.

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Have been doing a bit of reading here and there. Trying to work my way thru some of the info here

http://digital-photography-school.com/

but like anything that has to do with reading it is very slow going for me. Kinda getting overwhelmed....
 
I am by no means a good photographer. Learn at your own pace, don't overwhelm yourself or you will start to regret taking pictures.

Learn the few good settings on your camera and stick with those first. Don't try to learn all the settings all at once.

I recently purchased a Nikon D5100 and before that was a Sony A300. I used the same settings for both cameras and they seem to work well. Stick with 100-200 ISO (depending on your camera) for starters. That is good for 90% of the pictures people will take.

I'm not sure of the settings for Canon so I can't really comment. But on your Mode Dial generally stick with "P". This will allow you to set your ISO manually but most of the other options will be preset.

The running man is also helpful because it allows you to take pictures of moving objects without them (or parts of them) to look blurry.

Always have Image Stabilizer on, that's a given.

Other than that the only advice I can give is snap lots of pictures! I usually take 4 or 5 of everything I want to take a picture of. That way I'm sure I got a decent shot!

Here are my few decent examples of pictures taken:

























I took hundreds of pictures and experimented with a lot of trial and error to learn what looked decent and what did not. And switching from my Sony A300 to the Nikon I have to learn all over again as every camera is a little bit different!
 
You have a nice camera like the other guy you can set it on M I think and just play hey it is digital no waste. Just have fun. Some collages offer classes pretty cheap check around.
 
You have a nice camera like the other guy you can set it on M I think and just play hey it is digital no waste. Just have fun. Some collages offer classes pretty cheap check around.
We are an hour or so from town...and I do my best to avoid town & people so any sort of class aint gonna happen. Pretty much what I do is take several shots of the same thing for that very reason, no waste....

i like deercams lol

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p.s. inkjunkie ur dog has got some big ears :D
she does indeed. have a few more pictures of her ears flopping, will resize them tomorrow. When either one of the pups gets a drink there ears end up in the water bowls.
 
1....That 40D, as long as it works good, is more camera than either of us will ever be a photographer

2....The glass, not the camera, from this point will make the difference.

3....Learn to use Av and M. Av means you set up the aperature and it stays where you set it, and the shutter then follows the light meter. Remember, the light meter is not always right. Frankly, I find Canon's terminology on metering confusing

4....Learn to use the histogram. I screwed the pooch badly on this the last trip to Fairchild several years ago. I had taken many shots, and they "looked OK" but I had some setting on the camera, and the TOP BUTTON GOT ROTATED without my knowledge to shutter priority. Turns out, the shutter ended up being on an incredibly slow setting, much too slow for the 100-400mm at 400mm, and none of the shots were worth saving.

5....Learn the triangle of ISO, shutter, and aperture. One thing that has become more difficult for digital users, is "depth of field." DOF used to be bracketed right on the lens like in this example here



There are a couple of reasons why this is no longer

First, DOF changes with crop factor. This means, such as Canon, if you have a 35mm (autofocus EF mount), a 'full frame' digital such as a 5D, and a crop camera such as a 40D, the depth of field WILL CHANGE with the same lens on all three bodies.

There are "depth of field calculators" which are some help

6......Whether you use them or not, learn and learn the significance of the "original" "standard f stops." This has become polluted with digi cameras, because now you can set the menu for FRACTIONS of standard f stops. Why? Because let's say you set up a shot. Let's say the exposure is perfect. But you decide you want more or less depth of field, or maybe you need a faster shutter speed for subject movement.

"It used to be" that if you changed STANDARD f stops open one, or open two, you MOVED THE SHUTTER SPEED by the same 1/2 time period.

It was easier to cut / paste than to type, so..........

Standard f/stops: 1.4 (widest opening), 1.8 (or 2), 2.8, 4, 5.6, 8, 11, 16, 22, 32, 45

Standard shutter speeds: 1 (one second, slow shutter speed), 2 (half second), 4, (1/4 second, etc.) 8, 15, 30, 60, 125, 250, 500, 1000, 2000

Which came from here

http://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~rcollins/242photojournalism/fstopex.htm

So let's say you have this "perfect exposure" set up for f2.8, but you want some more DOF so you move it "closed" two down to f5.6. You have cut the light "in half" TWICE. That's what each standard stop does

This means you now have to DOUBLE the amount of light "back in" using the shutter "twice." So let's say the shutter was on 1/500. You'll have to move it to 1/125 to get the "double double" light back that you shut down with the aperture.

You can also do this if you learn the "doubles" on ISO. There are times I "argue" with this, as 800 intuitively seems too "grainy" for a shot, so I want "slower film" down to 400. Of course now you must either open the lens or slow down the shutter or both. So it's a balance between the triad of ISO, f stop, and shutter.

7....Visit the Canon website. If you look around there and on YouTube, there are tutorials.

8....Find some Canon 40D specific books. If you Google around you can find reviews. I hope you have, and have read the factory manual. I realize, it needs further explaining.

9.....Once you get better, consider setting the thing up for "rear button." I forget what this is called. There's a menu setting that causes the camera to focus NOT WITH the shutter half press, but rather with the "rear button" at the top right. WHY? Let's say you are taking a photo of something, and you DO NOT want the main subject to be in the center of the shot, but you DO want the subject to be properly exposed and focused. So with the back button, you set up the shot with SUBJECT CENTERED, then RELEASE the button, and offset the subject as desired. The camera will NOT refocus or change exposure while you get the shot. I use this exclusively

10.....For things like sunsets, fireworks, and other similar, use a tripod, and learn to use magnified live view. THIS above all else helps with those kinds of shots, making them stellar instead of "sorta."

This was taken with an adapted manual lens, on tripod. I probably took 10 shots to bracket the exposure and get "just what" I wanted. Focus was magnified live view. This was an old Olympus OM 28mm lens, probably about F16

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Nice pictures 67Dart273. I have a Canon T1i. 15 mp is good enough for me. I would like to take better pictures with it. I signed up for the site in the first post. Now just gotta read and heed and practice, practice, practice.
 
From this morning....on the full auto landscape setting....

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Patiently waiting for the cooler weather to arrive so I can start going down to the lake again. Most morning we have a fair amount of fog/low clouds on the water.

Been reading here and there. Bought a book about the "exposure triangle". Was mentioned on the link that plumcrazy provided. I have the jitters pretty bad some days so will be using a tripod frequently. Only have a junky one right now, it is on the list of things I would like to buy. Wondering about getting a light meter as well, wondering if it may be helpful in teaching myself about low light stuff.

Now I regret not paying more attention to my a**hole sister way back. She purchased a film setup from a photographer who had terminal cancer and was no longer able to get out there and take pictures. Was all top notch equipment. Had some insane telephoto lens, think it was in the 800-900 range. Had a lens for damn near every occasion. Along with the equipment my sister got to tap the woman's immense knowledge base. She learned a ton from her before her passing. My sister tried to teach me but just did not happen. Granted it was a film setup but it would have been nice to have the knowledge base that she was trying to give me. Will look for some of her photos and scan them if I can find the ones I am thinking about. My sister was into the rural America stuff, as she called it. Falling down old barns and what not.
 
Nice pictures 67Dart273. I have a Canon T1i. 15 mp is good enough for me. I would like to take better pictures with it. I signed up for the site in the first post. Now just gotta read and heed and practice, practice, practice.

Don't get hung up on the megapixel war. I've taken some stellar shots with my old Xt / 350D which I think was 8 mp. The big disadvantage to my old Xt was a smaller, dimmer viewfinder, not magnified live view, and slower focus response than some of the newer better stuff. Of course my 7D takes movies, something I'll probably never use. Frankly, sometimes I wish I'd saved money and just kept my 40Ds I had two, sold one. Now I have two 7Ds, and won't ever get rid of them, unless broken or stolen.

Here's a shot or two with the old Xt / 350D. This one was taken with the 100-400L

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I agree on the 'don't get hung up on the megapixel war' 67Dart273. My first digital was a Fujifilm 2meg camera. I shot almost a 1,000 pictures in '06 on vacation. Attached is one picture I took out the car window at Custer State Park's wildlife loop in S. Dakota. Got lucky. Only a 2 meg camera, but I think one of my better pictures. Nice beginner camera, for me anyway. From that I moved to a Fujufilm S9100. After about four years with that is when I bought the T1i from Canon. Unless I'm foolish enough to break it to where it can't be repaired, I will keep it forever. 15 mp is more than enough!
 

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...Doug, NICE shots man! (I got just a "simple" digital) So no waste, BUT I'd like to figure out or someone that knows a Canon C182 to help me get really good "up close" pictures of things, I can get close, sure, but any closer then things you've seen from me, and its a blurr.....AND it has auto focus and a view screen to get whatever in the picture etc....Anyone?
 
Use RAW format and not jpg in camera, or whatever it is called on Canons. Then process the photos in something like Corel AfterShot. This will allow you to more easily adjust exposure and color balance, instead of having it set in stone for you once you take the shot. Then if you want to do effects or more fine tuned editing, Photoshop or Gimp. RAW is bigger, and takes up more space, but is sooo much nicer to work with. I keep mine on shutter priority, and adjust the shutter speed as needed depending on the amount of light there is and how much movement there is. The camera then adjusts aperture to let more or less light in based on what it sees using its auto exposure abilities. If there is ever any question about whether or not you are getting too much light, err on the side of too dark. Most dslrs are better at dynamic range towards the dark side then they are when you start to blow out the highlights. If you think the camera is auto-exposing too far to the light side most of the time, adjust by setting the exposure to -1. Have fun.
 
Use RAW format and not jpg in camera, or whatever it is called on Canons. Then process the photos in something like Corel AfterShot. This will allow you to more easily adjust exposure and color balance, instead of having it set in stone for you once you take the shot. Then if you want to do effects or more fine tuned editing, Photoshop or Gimp. RAW is bigger, and takes up more space, but is sooo much nicer to work with. I keep mine on shutter priority, and adjust the shutter speed as needed depending on the amount of light there is and how much movement there is. The camera then adjusts aperture to let more or less light in based on what it sees using its auto exposure abilities. If there is ever any question about whether or not you are getting too much light, err on the side of too dark. Most dslrs are better at dynamic range towards the dark side then they are when you start to blow out the highlights. If you think the camera is auto-exposing too far to the light side most of the time, adjust by setting the exposure to -1. Have fun.

Photo tweaking....is it really necessary????
 
Installed GIMP just to see what it was about, computer is now having a fit...malware program is saying I have 30 malicious items (just scanned earlier today) and home page has switched to Yahoo.....put it back to what it was and it goes right back to Yahoo after closing Firefox...
 
inkjunkie, where did you download GIMP? Was it from gimp.org or a software site? I'm curious because I've never heard of open source software changing home pages and installing malware. I have been using GIMP for over 10 years and love it.
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/member.php?u=10254

did not pay attention, my fault. "reset" firefox, problem solved. Which version of Corel After Draw do you suggest? Quick net search turned up

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Corel-AfterShot-Pro-2-Download/dp/B00KQ297FQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=software&ie=UTF8&qid=1408138730&sr=1-1&keywords=corel+after+shot"]Amazon.com: Corel AfterShot Pro 2 [Download]: Software[/ame]

I appreciate your input.
 
You HAVE to pay attention where you download stuff. gimp.org is the place, the only place. There will be no malware from there

http://www.gimp.org/

If you look at the photos on my (I hate) Flickr, about the only software manipulation has been cropping and resizing, and in very few instances lightening or darkening. I will admit that people can create great "effects" when they learn how, but I'm not interested in that

https://www.flickr.com/photos/18786943@N03/with/6043395212/?details=1


Most of that is out of date. Since Flicker just HAD to improve things, I don't use it much anymore
 
Just got poured on, not very common to see storm clouds out my way this time of the year. The humidity is off the charts.....Reason I made that comment was one of the things that burns my a** is when folks tweak damn near everything in there pictures. If every last little detail needs "adjusting" perhaps you are doing something wrong? Had a friend that tweaked every damn thing. He would go on vacation and take all of his pictures, often times a thousand or more, in raw format. He would then "tweak" every last one before sending them up to a photo sharing site. Seemed like damn near every spare moment of his life went into "fixing" his pictures....just like the filter game....I understand that a uv filter is needed, if nothing else it serves as a lens protector. I also use a UV filter outdoors, during daylight hours. But that is it. Above mentioned friend had a different filter for damn near everything he took pictures of. Took him out to the desert to go shooting once, he bought his camera and gear bag. Mike spent more time looking at things and thinking about what filter was needed than he did shooting pictures. He was supposed to get some photos of us shooting. Out of the several hundred he took I never did see one of them....
 
I am by no means a good photographer. Learn at your own pace, don't overwhelm yourself or you will start to regret taking pictures.

Learn the few good settings on your camera and stick with those first. Don't try to learn all the settings all at once.

I recently purchased a Nikon D5100 and before that was a Sony A300. I used the same settings for both cameras and they seem to work well. Stick with 100-200 ISO (depending on your camera) for starters. That is good for 90% of the pictures people will take.

I'm not sure of the settings for Canon so I can't really comment. But on your Mode Dial generally stick with "P". This will allow you to set your ISO manually but most of the other options will be preset.

The running man is also helpful because it allows you to take pictures of moving objects without them (or parts of them) to look blurry.

Always have Image Stabilizer on, that's a given.

Other than that the only advice I can give is snap lots of pictures! I usually take 4 or 5 of everything I want to take a picture of. That way I'm sure I got a decent shot!

Here are my few decent examples of pictures taken:

























I took hundreds of pictures and experimented with a lot of trial and error to learn what looked decent and what did not. And switching from my Sony A300 to the Nikon I have to learn all over again as every camera is a little bit different!

Great pictures. I really like the one with the flower growing between the wood.
 
There's some amazing photoshop type programs out there to make your photo into whatever. Learn how to shoot first and then you can learn to shoot to manipulate the shot.

Remember, photography is about the original shot, not the grandstanding help from software.
 
There's some amazing photoshop type programs out there to make your photo into whatever. Learn how to shoot first and then you can learn to shoot to manipulate the shot.

Remember, photography is about the original shot, not the grandstanding help from software.

Pretty much how I feel about it. Not saying that perhaps adding effects is a bad thing, and cropping to get rid of all the outside junk. But to do what what my buddy used to do.....I will pass...some of the pictures he showed me had very little in common with how they looked like in the real world.

That is my goal, learn the camera & how to shoot using the creative side of it. Then progress into the altering of them. I do remember that my sister could not get by without a light meter. Keep in mind she was using film so you had one chance to get it right. But I can't help but think that using a light meter might not be a bad idea for me.....just to avoid having to tweak the pictures I take using the creative side....:happy1:
 
Doug your Canon already has a built in light meter. And since you can look at the histogram after you shoot, you can immediately see if it's "right." The only issue is that of course sometimes the meter will get "fooled," and picking the best metering mode can be interesting. As I said, I don't care for the Canon terminology on metering.

You can use the compensation dial to "dial it up" or "back" for a quick change, and you can shoot in "M" mode for control of "all" settings. "M" is a great way to learn how exposure, shutter, ISO, and the effects of it on a photo

I also must disagree with IS. There ARE times you should turn it off!!!! "On a tripod" is one time, although most of the "newer stuff" can sense this and auto disable it. Also, IS is no help at all on moving objects of any speed. This can be a win / lose thing. Something changing directions quickly, like birds in flight, sports, or short track racing, IS will hurt you bad
 
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