Tuning the MP 360/390hp

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So I have read a couple threads about the importance of the initial timing being set First

Here is a copy and paste from member crackedback, hope this is OK let me know if it isn't and I will remove it.


Here are a few ways of setting initial depending on what tools you have available. It's about making the engine efficient at idle. Efficiency = RPM in this case

1) Set at the point short of where the starter kickbacks when at operating temp. If it starts here and doesn't exceed your total number, run it. Tailor mechanical for the rest.

2) Using a vacuum gauge, note reading, advance timing, reset idle rpm. Is the reading higher, lower or same? Higher, do it again until you reach a point where vacuum will not rise. Once you get there, back off timing so the reading drops ~1", reset idle speed/mix screws and lock down distributor and get you initial timing reading using timing light.

3) At idle, feed timing into engine. If RPM increases, reset idle speed and do it again. Continue until rpm stops increasing. See where timing falls. DO NOT just turn the distributor and keep feeding it timing without resetting your base idle speed.

This is the same thing that always seems to come up about how terrible a carb runs. Burning eyes, smells like raw fuel behind car and IT'S NOT the carb causing the issue most of the time.

With automatic cars, large RPM drops from p/n to in gear, is another hint that something is wrong with your base timing settings.

I've said this a bunch of times, getting the correct timing profile (initial, mechanical, curve) on a car takes some work. There's a right way and a lazy way (total method). Sometimes with the total method you hit the lottery, most of the time, like most that play the lottery, you don't!
 
So how do you re curve the MP electronic distributor? I'm stuck at removing the vacuum advance and can't get down to the centrifugal advance.

Whats the procedure for setting total advance after initial is set?
 
Which MP distributor.

If it's the mallory style, it's easy to adjust mechanical advance. Old style requires some welding to shorten up the advance slots.

If you know what your best total number is, you can back out the initial you arrive at and do some math.
 
You cannot set total after setting initial, only check it.--EDIT crack beat me to it, unless the distributor has adjustable advance. This tells you how much mechanical you have, ie

you set initial, the mechanical advances to "whatever it is" and adds that on top.

You have to pull the reluctor wheel off, CAREFULLY use a screwdriver on each side of it, it's brittle, and the advance plate will lift off

Unless it's missing, there's a clip under the felt in the top. You have to have a VERY thin set of needle nose to reach it

Only way to change advance, unless it's an aftermarket adjustable unit is.............

change the top hat with one with shorter slots

weld and file the slots................

or there are a couple of aftermarket "advance limiters," I believe FBO and others sell 'em.

There should be a number stamped on your advance "top hat" probably underneath. That number tells you the advance in DISTRIBUTOR degrees. You multiply it x2 to get "crank degrees."

That is, if it's stamped "12", that's 22 at the crank. That means, then, that if you want say, 36total, you subtract 36 and 22 = 14 is where you would set initial to get that total. Just picking numbers out of the air, there
 
Mark the reluctor noting which slot the roll pin is in...

Lots of times we get the total number first because the engine was on a dyno. The dyno will start some stout stuff locked out with no issue.

Yes I'm offended you cut and paste the other thread... LOL No worries Mark.

If you want to call and talk about this, that's cool too.

There should be a number stamped on your advance "top hat" probably underneath. That number tells you the advance in DISTRIBUTOR degrees. You multiply it x2 to get "crank degrees."

That is, if it's stamped "12", that's 22 at the crank.

Is this the math is hard portion of the show? :) Just pulling your leg.
 
Mark the reluctor noting which slot the roll pin is in...

Lots of times we get the total number first because the engine was on a dyno. The dyno will start some stout stuff locked out with no issue.

Yes I'm offended you cut and paste the other thread... LOL No worries Mark.

If you want to call and talk about this, that's cool too.



Is this the math is hard portion of the show? :) Just pulling your leg.

I'm going to give you a call on this one.

Thanks
 
The phone has been hijacked for a while... family call. Call me any time tonight until about 10pm.
 
Distributor is apart looks like advance is adjustable by loosening two screws. I was getting 12 degree initial and 36 total

The thing about setting the initial timing is I can put 45 degrees in it before it starts kicking back. I'm assuming this is probably beyond the preferred total advance and would be really bad after the 24 degree advance kicked in.

Maybe I should try setting initial with the vacuum gauge.
 
What's that cam, the 292/508 roller? If it is, do 24 initial and the rest mechanical if you want some advance curve in it. If it starts locked out when hot, I'd run it there. You could test it doing the vacuum gauge method, Only change is wherever it make most vacuum, lock it down there, no backing it off because it starts beyond your total number.

There's a thread on here with the window widths for setting mechanical with those mallory style units. Don't need the keys, use an appropriately sized drill bit shank!

The curve itself may not be right but the initial/mechincal will be in the right area.
 
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