Bucket Brigade. How they used to do it.
Was just woken at 11:30 our mountain is burning and has gotten worse.
- Thread starter Oldmanmopar
- Start date
-
With the economy the way it is we can't afford buckets. We used Campbell soup cans left over from the soup lines.
Your towns average per capita income is $46,000… $95,000 per household…. Unemployment is 3.4% and avg home price is 450k .
How is it your economy is so bad ?
Fantastic news! God does answer prayer!
Glad it's under control Steve!
Steve, glad to here things are under control. We were all worried and praying for a good outcome.
So, as you may remember I had a chance to move back to my home state and lateral over to the BIA here in Oklahoma. We are a 10 person hand crew. We have heavy equipment division with 5 guys and some tracked equipment from 2 skid steers w/ forestry mulcher, a dozer, track hoe, and transports.
I’m not trying to one-up your prescribed fire but adding to it for those unaccustomed with wild fire. We did a 3,000 acre project over 3 days on Chickasaw tribal land. Using a river, ranch roads, and dozer line as containment lines. Plains fires burn the grass very fast but it hits the timber and slows down but a lot of times they just become burning islands in a see of burned prairie grass. It’s fast and loose compared to how we did prescribed fire in CA but we can get mega production. All the areas we burn in only have volunteers and we give a courtesy call before ignition. If there is an escape it’s on us so we are as cautious as possible.
I think a lot of the frustration from folks who know the industry comes from the fact that this fire was mismanaged and then people start complaining about not getting help.
Imagine being in a boat. It gets a hole in it, you do nothing or half *** the response, and then when the boat is almost completely sunk you start complaining that the harbor master didn’t send you a Coast Guard response.
Who’s at fault? In this situation, I conclude, there is a lack of training, professionalism, and that thing inside you that makes you want to climb up a mountain and start fighting fire with fire. @mbaird mentioned “Hotshots”, they are like the Special Forces of firefighters, per Outdoor Life magazine
. Personally I think that’s goofy given my previous job in Naval Special Warfare but it really is the best way to put it in laymen’s terms. While Interagency Hotshots are Type 1 crews and primarily needed in in the west but there are two T1 crews that are in the East and still has their seasonal fire personnel. Unicoy Hotshots out of TN and Midewin Hotshots out of IL. These are crews that primarily do prescribed fire and have an early season after snow melt and beginning again at the tail end of the western fire season. In their home regions it greens up and we don’t get summer fires so no need. They should be on right now.The fire officials who are in charge in PA probably could have made a call early on and got them. Do they even have communication with NIFC???
Glad the anxiety over this is over in OMM’s town but they seriously need to lean on the Gov. to at least deploy PANG troops to the west to get NWCG red card certification and training.
In reality you shouldn’t have to rely on NG for fire suppression. Every state in the country NEEDS a Type 2 hand crew at the very minimum.
@mbaird Family Day-2019 or ‘20
like_A_pike
that's not factory
The folks I worked with in the south relied a lot on local volunteers in conjunction with state DNR in Arkansas and Georgia. Lately they’ve been hard pressed to fill positions in local volunteer agencies! The resources at the state level in Texas seemed well personed and funded in comparison. I think Rusty was being modest about the resources in his state though. Georgia seems to push longleaf pine for their private CRP program for non industry private owners. That species requires one or more Rx burns before they are free to grow and I think the state folks do that for them. I met many of them after the Okefenokee burned….twice! They were battle hardened by then.
BTW I was following the “blue mountain”? News and learned things were getting buttoned up there in Pa. Glad it wasn’t worse!
BTW I was following the “blue mountain”? News and learned things were getting buttoned up there in Pa. Glad it wasn’t worse!
Do Your own math, if the avg. income between per/cap & total household is $76,000, & 450K avg. Home. At today's rate of 6% drug out for 30yrs., that's over 42% pre-tax/mo. of income, hmmmm good luck getting approved for that one....
Not sure why you split per capita and average household .
And the average home price of $450k means that some are 1,000,000 and some are $200,000.
I do agree with your sentiment about homes costing too much but that in my opinion is due to tax policy that encourages using homes as commodities vs for living in . Corporations owning 100,000 houses or individuals owning 10,20,30 homes does not help affordability.
Yeah, we do have controlled burns in this county all the time. Chuck Leavell (Allman Brothers and Rolling Stones fame) is a local arborist and has a lot of acreage in an adjacent county for growing pine. He's a good dude and one hell of a musician.
That's the point, averages are really useless, & are not indicative of the condition of the economy. Watch the movie 'The Big Short', while it's a product of Hollywood & seriously downplays the role of FreddieMac, FannieMay, USDA Rural Development,...shows how property values can be based on fabrications & speculation more than actual value,.....with the BlackRocks of the world running around paying 150-200% of a listing price(& I know You know that), I give -0- legitimacy to #'s like those being grounded in reality. That is all Sir....
I actually agree with everything you said.
I wish our average home prices were being exaggerated ! But sadly they are accurate or maybe low . No shortage of deep pockets to pay stupid prices though .
Mr. Sinister
Devastation Manager
Glad to hear the Kiss family is safe and well.
-
