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Hi guys , been on the hunt for a couple of nice combos ( succes stories ) from a lot of mopar sites, lots of 318 mpg's with good infos and tips/ cars models and mechanical specs , slant 6 bring respectable mpg too , let shoot your best mopar urban legend or real world mpg combo here !! ************************************************** ** if you have the engine/carb/trans/gear/tires and even the weigth , the more infos the better !! thanks guys
 
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63 Dart slant 6 ,3 on the tree, called it the blue streak. lol
It burned more oil than fuel. 32mpg @55/60 mph
 
32 mpg ! Wow 170 cu.in ?
The U.S. Government used to hold mileage competitions that the car companies would compete in. Chrysler was a regular winner at this event. This is worth looking up.


Real world MPG story from yours truly. Let’s start the story with the car and drive train. I have a 1979 Dodge Magnum with a 8-1/4 rear end, housing 2.76 gears that turned 235/60/15’s. The transmission is a dead stock 904 of the same year. IDK if it was a lock up or not. These parts are stock to the car and remain so. Initial mileage was normally 9-10 on the Hwy with the leanbun.
Horrible! This can not due!

The engine is also stock to the car. It is a 360-2bbl. When I first revived the parts car that sat in the back weeds of a body shop, it was still running the leanburn ignition system. Knowing there horrible reputation, it was removed and replaced with a MP Orange box and ballast. A junkyard distributor was used and the only description from them was, “It came out of a truck.” Lord knows the curve within. It was never changed.

I’ll skip ahead to the parts change out list;

Chrysler Orange ignition & ballast, JY distributor
‘72 Trap door air cleaner w/a K&N filter
Carter Competition 600 AFB
Factory iron TQ intake, egr disconnected which renders it closed off and non effective or contaminating to the engines air fuel charge.
Duel exhaust custom bent off the exhaust manifolds @ 2-1/4 inches. Due to the then state law, it was a MUST HAVE catalytic converter or fail emissions, period!
The exhaust was give. An “H” pipe before the twin high flow cats that I believe were Magnaflows.
(Sorry, it’s been a long time.)
Thrush Turbo mufflers we’re used. Exhaust went to the bumper.

After some tuning, in which a lot of fake testing was done and a bunch of spark plugs were used, mileage rose to 17-18 on the Hwy. not to bad but I did want to try for a little more. More the merry right?

While I personally have had a lot of bad luck with MSD ignitions, this is the one and only box that has performed as it should. The MSD 6A box delivers (as you all know) multiple sparks below 3,000 rpm. Since the car lives under this at cruise, the result was another 2-3 MPG’s.

There seemed to be a minor 1 mpg variance that I have come to the conclusion of the quality of fuel. Routinely it was mail a solid 19. When I realized that all fuels are not the same, I paid attention to what gas station gave the best results. It was the busiest gas stations since there consistently getting fresh fuel. Not one brand over another although I am sure there is a better fuel at a name brand station over another name brand station.

Best fuel was purchased on the N.J. Turnpike. On a constant cruise on my road trips in and out of Richmond Va. & Northern Ga., the absolute best was 21 mpg’s.

Is 21 mpg’s good? Is it great? Is it what one should expect?
IDK! But it sure beat the heck out of 9 or 10 on the Hwy.!
Considering the car was fully loaded minus a T top or sunroof option or the tow package, the car weighed in over 4,000 when I’d travel with the wife & kid. A packed car, not an over loaded car did IMO, pretty good.

Could I have obtained more mileage? I think so. I’d start with the list below! Yes! It starts with no cats on the exhaust! LMAO! Starting from top to bottom on the engine.

Cold air induction. A fresh air tube on the air cleaner was initially used, but it’s age was long over due and discontinued in its use.

A TQ carb may have helped. As well as an aluminum intake like a Edelbrock Performer.
Headers! But I don’t think a bigger exhaust pipe would really show an gains since the engine is a low powered smogger.
A mileage cam to replace the factory cam, even though the factory cam was a broom stick. Rearranging the cams timing events can net gains.
A better distributor curve.
A MP viscous fan.
Taller tires reduce cruising rpm, great for the interstate travels, but hurt around town mileage. The stop and go as well as NYC rush hour traffic can be ruthless on any mileage attempts on any car.

The only tip I can give while you, yourself might attempt in mileage gains would be to not only use a multi strike ignition system, but to experiment with the spark plug gaps. Also, run the carb as lean as you can and practical. To lean drives engine temperatures up, cause misfires, kill power and make rod a crappy experience.

Happy mileage hunting!
 
The U.S. Government used to hold mileage competitions that the car companies would compete in. Chrysler was a regular winner at this event. This is worth looking up.


Real world MPG story from yours truly. Let’s start the story with the car and drive train. I have a 1979 Dodge Magnum with a 8-1/4 rear end, housing 2.76 gears that turned 235/60/15’s. The transmission is a dead stock 904 of the same year. IDK if it was a lock up or not. These parts are stock to the car and remain so. Initial mileage was normally 9-10 on the Hwy with the leanbun.
Horrible! This can not due!

The engine is also stock to the car. It is a 360-2bbl. When I first revived the parts car that sat in the back weeds of a body shop, it was still running the leanburn ignition system. Knowing there horrible reputation, it was removed and replaced with a MP Orange box and ballast. A junkyard distributor was used and the only description from them was, “It came out of a truck.” Lord knows the curve within. It was never changed.

I’ll skip ahead to the parts change out list;

Chrysler Orange ignition & ballast, JY distributor
‘72 Trap door air cleaner w/a K&N filter
Carter Competition 600 AFB
Factory iron TQ intake, egr disconnected which renders it closed off and non effective or contaminating to the engines air fuel charge.
Duel exhaust custom bent off the exhaust manifolds @ 2-1/4 inches. Due to the then state law, it was a MUST HAVE catalytic converter or fail emissions, period!
The exhaust was give. An “H” pipe before the twin high flow cats that I believe were Magnaflows.
(Sorry, it’s been a long time.)
Thrush Turbo mufflers we’re used. Exhaust went to the bumper.

After some tuning, in which a lot of fake testing was done and a bunch of spark plugs were used, mileage rose to 17-18 on the Hwy. not to bad but I did want to try for a little more. More the merry right?

While I personally have had a lot of bad luck with MSD ignitions, this is the one and only box that has performed as it should. The MSD 6A box delivers (as you all know) multiple sparks below 3,000 rpm. Since the car lives under this at cruise, the result was another 2-3 MPG’s.

There seemed to be a minor 1 mpg variance that I have come to the conclusion of the quality of fuel. Routinely it was mail a solid 19. When I realized that all fuels are not the same, I paid attention to what gas station gave the best results. It was the busiest gas stations since there consistently getting fresh fuel. Not one brand over another although I am sure there is a better fuel at a name brand station over another name brand station.

Best fuel was purchased on the N.J. Turnpike. On a constant cruise on my road trips in and out of Richmond Va. & Northern Ga., the absolute best was 21 mpg’s.

Could I have obtained more mileage? I think so. I’d start with the list below! Yes! It starts with no cats on the exhaust! LMAO! Starting from top to bottom on the engine.

Cold air induction. A fresh air tube on the air cleaner was initially used, but it’s age was long over due and discontinued in its use.

A TQ carb may have helped. As well as an aluminum intake like a Edelbrock Performer.
Headers! But I don’t think a bigger exhaust pipe would really show an gains since the engine is a low powered smogger.
A mileage cam to replace the factory cam, even though the factory cam was a broom stick. Rearranging the cams timing events can net gains.
A better distributor curve.
A MP viscous fan.
Taller tires reduce cruising rpm, great for the interstate travels, but hurt around town mileage. The stop and go as well as NYC rush hour traffic can be ruthless on any mileage attempts on any car.

The only tip I can give while you, yourself might attempt in mileage gains would be to not only use a multi strike ignition system, but to experiment with the spark plug gaps. Also, run the carb as lean as you can and practical. To lean drives engine temperatures up, cause misfires, kill power and make rod a crappy experience.

Happy mileage hunting!


You have to be fairly well aged to remember those mileage competitions LOL. Those were a long time ago.
 
think i mighta told this story before, but it is too good not to share it again (in fact, i copied it from the last time i posted it here)

Now, the vehicle was a mid 90s silverado with a vortec 350


this was about 7,8 years ago and my parents were visiting us
back then, my father in law had a little saturn ion and he had hit something and needed some parts for it
(and by "some parts" i mean pretty much an entire front end)

now, it just so happened that i had to go to the Consulate in chicago to renew my passport and i had found a junkyard outside of chicago that had the right car sitting there
right color and everything
only problem is, i didnt have a truck at the time
so, i borrowed my buddies 1/2 ton chevy with the 350 in it

i picked it up late at night and glanced at the fuel gauge which was sitting neatly on F
i figured he musta filled it up before i came, because, honestly, thats what i would have done

so the next morning we all pile in the truck (me, the wife, my parents, and the baby) and we left at around 5 am on the 150 mile trip to chicago (thats 150 miles, one way)

my appointment was at 9 and we were doing good in time so we stopped for breakfast for a quick minute and i got to the consulate right on time

as im walking toward the window, my phone starts to ring
now, they dont take kindly to people being on phones at the window so i toss it to my wife and go talk to the lady

we run through my paperwork and i get my receipts back and all is well

so i turn around and ask the wife who called me
she said it was my buddy, whose truck i borrowed

oh , what did he want?
he said to make sure you fill it up before you head out because the fuel gauge is busted and stuck on F, and he has no clue how much is really in there
 
I only read about them and they were not exactly giving out there secrets back then. At 55, we have some great tails of what was that the young guns listen to with wonder and awe. I stated driving at ‘98 cents a gallon for starters! LMAO! I picked up 15 - 25 YO “True” muscle cars between $50 & $500. Nice examples, like a all original surviver Cuda in nice shape was priced around 5-6K. Big block included! Now there 35-45 in the same shape.
 
My 1971 Dodge Demon. Late 70's 440, whiplash 440 cam, fenderwell headers, Weiand tunnel ram, twin 660 center squirters, 2500rpm stall 727 and 2.94 gears. 275 60R15 tires. Got 15mpg on the trip to Mopars in the Park. 600 mile round trip. Temps rose to over 100° and it dropped to 10mpg. There were multiple issues with the car by time I got home and all have been fixed. 3.91 gears for the summer local proved about 8mpg. 2.94s back in for MITP this June, new radiator, new exhaust, new superstock springs, new tunnel ram, etc. We will see.
 
1964 Barracuda, 4 speed, O/D, 3.23 gears in a 8 3/4 rear, 170 slant six, head milled .060, great valve job, chambers equal within + or - .2 of a cc, pocket smoothed, stock Super Six 2 barrel carb and intake, 268 degree Mopar Performance cam, 340 valve springs, double roller timing chain, electronic distributor, chrome box, Taylor Spiro Pro wires, G60R14 tires, 2 in exhaust through a turbo muffler, vacuum gauge, cruising for hours at 60+ mph, consistent 30 mpg.
 
1964 Barracuda, 4 speed, O/D, 3.23 gears in a 8 3/4 rear, 170 slant six, head milled .060, great valve job, chambers equal within + or - .2 of a cc, pocket smoothed, stock Super Six 2 barrel carb and intake, 268 degree Mopar Performance cam, 340 valve springs, double roller timing chain, electronic distributor, chrome box, Taylor Spiro Pro wires, G60R14 tires, 2 in exhaust through a turbo muffler, vacuum gauge, cruising for hours at 60+ mph, consistent 30 mpg.

Every once in a while I really really miss the days of cruising around in my slant six dart with 35,000 miles. My dart was my most reliable vehicle when I was in high school in 06-09. Couldn’t tell you the mileage I got but it was a bone stock drivetrain 225/727/7.25 with 2:73 gears. It wouldn’t spin the tires on wet pavement but it was a good little engine.
 
Same car and set up. 273 + .040 TRW forged 10.5:1 pistons, 72 milled 340 1.88 intake valve J heads 64.8 cc chambers equallized, 71 340 TQ and intake, dual 2 inch exhaust through turbo mufflers, stock ported 273 exhaust manifolds, no flapper valve, stock 65 273 radiator with 3 row core, electric fan, 72 used 340 cam installed @ 114 intake centerline, 71 340 flywheel bell housing, 10.95 big block clutch, Premium gas, 3690430 Direct Connection distributor, Taylor Spiro Pro wires, consistant 25 mpg cruising at 60+ mph.
 
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Without writing a novel...

Best I ever got out of my built slant- cam, head, bigger carb, header 3.55/2600 stall was about 21-23mpg in a 71 dart swinger fully loaded. I thought that was decent.
Nothing I do focuses on more milage per gallon...its only a byproduct of good combo and precise tuning. They've all gotten better milage than typical and or expected.
I dont use vac advance on my stuff.
I do have an adjustable timing box I'm hooking up that I can carefully dial in another 6-10 degrees at cruise.
See when you build something that's really ragged Edge compression and octane that just squeezes by when you hook up that Advanced can which is operated on vacuum the vacuum does not change fast enough to pull the timing back out once you stomp on it and in every case with engines I do that I mean are literally on the edge of being able to run on high octane pump gas it just doesn't work they ping every time momentarily.
By the time I take enough out of the can to make it stop... its only adding around 6-8 degrees. I bought an msd pro billet and halted investing my time or motor into vac advance at this level.
All my mopars got better milage than any Chevy built the same. Chevy sucks.
 
1976 D100 SWB regular cab. The P.O. built an essentially stock 400 with the heavy pistons a mile down in the hole. Mopar .484” cam, Performer RPM intake, headers with dual exhaust that went into a single muffler. Holley 3310, basic electronic ignition. NP 435 4 speed with only 3 usable forward gears, 3.23 rear, 15” SUV tires. 13 mpg from Long Island, NY to Carlisle PA. No vacuum advance, tail gate closed, no bed cover. Thing was about as aero as a hamburger. I was proud of that!
 
I could have fixed that. LOL

I ended up putting a 2 barrel on it with Clifford headers and one of the slant six cams. Still had no power but now that I’m older I realized some better gears would have helped that.
 
I average 15-17 MPG with mixed driving and a decent amount of messing around (flooring it tee hee) in my '70 Duster. 5.9L Magnum short block with ported Edelbrock heads, 9:1 comp, custom-grind Racer Brown hyd roller cam, Hedman shorty headers into 2.5" duals, RPM (non-Air-Gap) intake, 750 cfm Street Demon carb, Mallory multi-spark CD box. 904 trans with cheap aftermarket converter that stalls around 2600 RPM and 8-3/4" rear with 2.94 gears.

I'm sure that will go down when I swap in 3.55 gears and a 750 double pumper but this car is transitioning from less street use to more track use, I have a truck to tow it longer distances now.

@doogievlg I didn't realize we were the same age lol I went to high school the same years you did
 
I average 15-17 MPG with mixed driving and a decent amount of messing around (flooring it tee hee) in my '70 Duster. 5.9L Magnum short block with ported Edelbrock heads, 9:1 comp, custom-grind Racer Brown hyd roller cam, Hedman shorty headers into 2.5" duals, RPM (non-Air-Gap) intake, 750 cfm Street Demon carb, Mallory multi-spark CD box. 904 trans with cheap aftermarket converter that stalls around 2600 RPM and 8-3/4" rear with 2.94 gears.

I'm sure that will go down when I swap in 3.55 gears and a 750 double pumper but this car is transitioning from less street use to more track use, I have a truck to tow it longer distances now.

@doogievlg I didn't realize we were the same age lol I went to high school the same years you did

Graduated in 2009. I bought my dart when I was 15 for $2000.
 
Graduated in 2009. I bought my dart when I was 15 for $2000.

Same except I got my Duster for $3000 when I was 16, and still had to wait about a year to get my license grrr. I don't remember why I delayed on getting my driver's permit, might have been money-related lol my dad was still pretty frugal back then.
 
I ended up putting a 2 barrel on it with Clifford headers and one of the slant six cams. Still had no power but now that I’m older I realized some better gears would have helped that.

Start by adjusting valves, then bumping the timing up till it runs best.
 
think i mighta told this story before, but it is too good not to share it again (in fact, i copied it from the last time i posted it here)

Now, the vehicle was a mid 90s silverado with a vortec 350


this was about 7,8 years ago and my parents were visiting us
back then, my father in law had a little saturn ion and he had hit something and needed some parts for it
(and by "some parts" i mean pretty much an entire front end)

now, it just so happened that i had to go to the Consulate in chicago to renew my passport and i had found a junkyard outside of chicago that had the right car sitting there
right color and everything
only problem is, i didnt have a truck at the time
so, i borrowed my buddies 1/2 ton chevy with the 350 in it

i picked it up late at night and glanced at the fuel gauge which was sitting neatly on F
i figured he musta filled it up before i came, because, honestly, thats what i would have done

so the next morning we all pile in the truck (me, the wife, my parents, and the baby) and we left at around 5 am on the 150 mile trip to chicago (thats 150 miles, one way)

my appointment was at 9 and we were doing good in time so we stopped for breakfast for a quick minute and i got to the consulate right on time

as im walking toward the window, my phone starts to ring
now, they dont take kindly to people being on phones at the window so i toss it to my wife and go talk to the lady

we run through my paperwork and i get my receipts back and all is well

so i turn around and ask the wife who called me
she said it was my buddy, whose truck i borrowed

oh , what did he want?
he said to make sure you fill it up before you head out because the fuel gauge is busted and stuck on F, and he has no clue how much is really in there
HAHAHAHAHA! Fookin Hilarious!
 
Read a story a few years back about the design team that did the Valiant. Chrysler execs didn't have much faith in the sales of a small car. So they assigned a small team of engineers and designers to make it happen. They gave them an old warehouse in the boonies. One of the guys was always fiddling with his car trying to improve his mileage. [changing carb jets, timing etc.] Some of the guys got together and would steal a gallon of gas out of his car. Disappointed with his mileage results, the owner would change the settings back too where they were. The next week the guys would add back the gas they took previously. Don't know if he ever figured it out.
 
What? AJ ain't come in here yet to brag about his 60 MPG slant 6 in a 5k pound vehicle while loaded with 10K pounds and pullin twelveteen fat women on a trailer behind him in a 150 MPH headwind?
 
My brother had a low mileage and all original 69 Barracuda. 340 car, 4 speed, and 3:55's. He took the car to Carlisle and Indy one year. It averaged around 17MPG ( he was in central Va. at that time.) Not extreme driving as say through the Rocky's and such but just a good mix of roads in general.....

This was the mid 90's and I remember how shocked we were about the MPG. For all of the negativity about the Muscle car era it showed me that in fact if you had your car tuned up right and drove like a sane person for the sake of using it as transportation they did pretty good on the Gas gauge for that era in time....

JW
 
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