HotLines
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new QA1 K Frame
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jos51700
Green Bearing thread connoisseur
I'm just a motorcycle mechanic with several engineering contacts.
71Scamper
Mopar runs thru my veins!
I don't know if that was also directed to me but I have no problem with John's stuff by any means. I commend him on being a true Mopar fan and spreading the luxuries of coilover suspension for a dime on the dollar compared to other "big" companies that rape us.
I just wish he would get back to me. I have a schedule and now its getting close to reassembly and the front suspension is gonna hold me up. I could always put back the factory stuff just to make it a roller again but I hate doing work 2 or 3 times over.
younggun2.0
Well-Known Member
prob. not. my money is on him being a pompous prick. Just because Dillinger isn't the first man on the planet to make a tubular suspension system doesn't discount what he is doing for the hobby. Until this guys builds something that revolutionizes the hobby I think he should take a step back and shut the hell up. Its easy to look at something and say that anyone could build it. Its another to actually make it happen. Then make it available to the general public..... that is alot to take on for anyone. This guy chaps my ***. Who the hell are you to just open your mouth and spill out bullshit negative comments about someones hard work and contributions. that guy can piss off.
Did not the hot rod industry start in peoples garage...who had an idea on how to do it better and less expensive??
I light off bottle rockets on the 4th July does that make me a Rocket Scientist?
I light off bottle rockets on the 4th July does that make me a Rocket Scientist?
73SwingerBuild
Well-Known Member
Funny, I AM an engineer and from what I've seen of John's work, I'd be more than willing to install it in my car. I helped a friend install the tubular front suspension in his car and it was all quality stuff as far as I could see. I also have a set of John's tubular upper control arms and they have performed flawlessly.
He's a good guy that has worked his @$$ off to make it easier for budget-minded builds to employ better suspensions, and you're here cutting his work down because it is similar to other equipment out there.
You may want to think before you type next time. Or at least have an actual example as a basis for your claims...
-Mike
HotLines
Realist - Free Thinker
Someone on this post said that John used parts designed by others when in reality the whole idea behind these were designed by Ford.
Say what you want but at least give credit where credit is due. I've spoken with John in the past and knew his intentions were worthy of all considerations. I also knew Q1 bought him out and was just waiting for something to become of it.
When you speak of others in a negative manner, it really doesn't do anything positive for your character or as many say, if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything
Say what you want but at least give credit where credit is due. I've spoken with John in the past and knew his intentions were worthy of all considerations. I also knew Q1 bought him out and was just waiting for something to become of it.
When you speak of others in a negative manner, it really doesn't do anything positive for your character or as many say, if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything
Which John are you referring to with QA1 bought him out?
Just read the ill-informed nonsense in this thread and you'll understand the pompous nature.
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=234881
I think the John they speak of being bought out is not Dillinger. CAP owner was named John as well.
JD is a good guy, builds nice stuff. If you think it's so easy, bust out and get to work providing a better product and a lesser price. I'll buy JD's stuff before spending a penny with Hotchkis ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$)
And learn how to post a picture so it doesn't explode the aspect of the screen.
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=234881
I think the John they speak of being bought out is not Dillinger. CAP owner was named John as well.
JD is a good guy, builds nice stuff. If you think it's so easy, bust out and get to work providing a better product and a lesser price. I'll buy JD's stuff before spending a penny with Hotchkis ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$)
And learn how to post a picture so it doesn't explode the aspect of the screen.
moparmat2000
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i have johns non adjustable uppers, far better than a stock upper arm. the welding on them looks great. he sold them to me unpainted, without bushings or ball joints since i already had these parts. the price was right so i cant complain. i also bought his adjustable strut rods, and his tubular radiator support.
if QA1 or hotchkis isnt any more groundbreaking then why pay double the price. i say buy what you think works best for you and your budget.
i see no reason to knock someone who makes a nice quality part at a reasonable price even if it isnt "ground breaking" i had thought about producing subframe connectors to sell on this site modeled after the custom ones on my build, but no thanks too many kill joys and party poopers that would knock them for some reason or another.
for what its worth john, i like the parts you built up and sent me.
my .02
matt
if QA1 or hotchkis isnt any more groundbreaking then why pay double the price. i say buy what you think works best for you and your budget.
i see no reason to knock someone who makes a nice quality part at a reasonable price even if it isnt "ground breaking" i had thought about producing subframe connectors to sell on this site modeled after the custom ones on my build, but no thanks too many kill joys and party poopers that would knock them for some reason or another.
for what its worth john, i like the parts you built up and sent me.
my .02
matt
-Sledgehammer-
Mopar Performance
modified K with dillinger kit
younggun2.0
Well-Known Member
can you use the lower control arms alone as a replacement part? I already have the big ball joint spindles and the rms adjustable strut rods.
MikeStahl
Well-Known Member
Still hoping for the Dillinger B&E's for this setup :cheers:
Dragonbat13
Well-Known Member
How are those k frames modified? are they done by Dillinger (who I havent heard of but would like to know the full scoop sometimes) or is it a DIY thing?
If its DIY, is there a thread explaning it?
If its DIY, is there a thread explaning it?
64 SRT8 Dart
Well-Known Member
Well, the stuff he sold me must be engineered correctly because I've been driving on em for over 9 months, rain, snow, and sunshine......no problems at all!!:glasses7:
Thanks John Dillinger!!
Thanks John Dillinger!!
-Sledgehammer-
Mopar Performance
did mine in-car
bartered with my one buddy, gave him a part for final lip trimming and paint
I would agree with most everything regarding John D. I purchased LCA, J-Bars, Support Loops, radiator support, adjustable strut rods. Everything looks and feels as though it will handle the load. Only issue I'm having is strut rods and gussets on LCA don't line up properly and having problems getting an answer from John.
jos51700
Green Bearing thread connoisseur
That's what I said, and I made my point. Dillinger's stuff isn't unique, nor is it original.
So #1, Dillinger "revolutionized the hobbie"? Not.
#2 Name the part, I'll build it. You don't know enough about me to comment, so you might think twice before you open up on it.
You're an engineer, huh?
So, the engineer would have said:
Heim joints have no weather seal (BAD), and no provision for lubricant (BAD). Stainless steel mitigates most corrosion but does nothing for abrasive wear (BAD). When they wear through the liner, they risk popping off (BAD), which leads to:
The heavily cantilevered bolts (BAD) are heavily loaded in single-shear (BAD), and there is no safety redundancy built in (BAD). Common sense would dictate some form of fail-safe retention like this:
But then they might not have the travel that he's looking for (Think: which MIGHT be why a standard tie-rod is used by the OEM's instead?)
The ball-retention area is marginal for vertical loading (BAD) and I'm hoping and praying he understands the value of a taper fit, but.... Think: When one looks at the taper fit, we see that the taper is what holds the parts together (As evidenced by the abundance of pickle forks in the world) and this taper also spreads the load through the joining parts. The taper is very thick compared to the threaded portion and that cross-sectional thickness equals shear strength. Where the ball joint (aka factory tie-rod-end) is loaded in shear is through the taper which is, as mentioned, much thicker than the threaded portion of the ball joint (The nut serves primarily to fit the two tapers together properly and provide redundant retention).
The bolts in Dillinger's kit are as small as the smallest part of the taper (If not smaller) (BAD), and are loaded in shear independent of any taper-adapters used to "make it fit" (BAD). The shear strength of those bolts is minimal compared to a proper tie-rod end (BAD), and that shear load is applied across the bolt cross section, which is much smaller than the factory taper would have been (BAD).
Not only that, but when you look around and see stuff like this:
The smart man thinks twice about it. That's a heim joint, loaded in tension, pulled right apart under normal road-going conditions. Story:
http://www.aus300zx.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302985
His lower control arms have sway bar tabs loaded with a bending moment from the vertical force of the sway bar on them, but have zero triangulation (BAD) or bracing for this vertical load or moment. Think: The sway bar controls wheel motion by limiting/applying force vertically, from the opposite wheel/suspension. How is that little flat tab handling that vertical load with no vertical support? Not well. IF he hadn't welded the bottom side it would break right off but it's still flexing (BAD), corner after corner.
Tabs:
Shown loaded in the attached photo (circled, just for you). Need I go on?
73Swingerbuild, if you're an engineer, I'd like a photocopy of your license and some background on your education. You can be an electrical engineer, a civil engineer, hell, you can be a damn traffic engineer, but it's obvious that you're a piss-poor mechanical engineer and you can still claim to be an engineer.
If there's any kind of testing data that Dillinger did before he brought his product to market, I wanna see it. Is there any tensile testing done on his welds? X-raying or heat treatment of the heat-affected zone? Is there any cyclical fatigue testing done on anything? What kind of quality control is in place here?
Was there ever before it was sold, or are you guys out driving around on it serving as his testing regimen?
But it's for sale, that means it well-engineered and safe, right? That means that you needed it and it's worth what you paid, right? I can go into more of his parts but I'm tired of typing.
Like I said, Dillinger copies his stuff from everyone else.
For the record, I don't like most of their stuff, either, and for the same reasons. You guys buy his stuff and keep patting yourselves on the back, I'm all for freedom of choice and the freedom to make bad decisions. I just hope that none of you are on a road near me.
Lakeeffect
Drive Fast , Take Chances
^^is that guy Rick E from mopar action?
Seems like Rick covered a lot of this stuff a few issues back. Talking about the RMS setup.
Seems like Rick covered a lot of this stuff a few issues back. Talking about the RMS setup.
No..Rich E is back East somewhere..that guy above is in the Midwest according to his profile..
One of my friends has the tie rod kit...and loves it...got rid on the bump steer on his barracuda..
64 SRT8 Dart
Well-Known Member
9mo and counting Rain, snow, shine, drive EVERY day. Seems like they've passed the stress test to me. Oh, my RMS uppers have those rod/heim style ends on em and they seems to handle the road forces just fine.
Now, I'm no engineer but so far his parts have held up more so than your BS words. IMO :burnout:
Rain, snow, shine, drive EVERY day. Seems like they've passed the stress test to me. Oh, my RMS uppers have those rod/heim style ends on em and they seems to handle the road forces just fine.Now, I'm no engineer but so far his parts have held up more so than your BS words. IMO :burnout:
9mo and counting
Now, I'm no engineer but so far his parts have held up more so than your BS words. IMO :burnout:
But did you stay at a Holiday Inn lately?
64 SRT8 Dart
Well-Known Member
LOL, nope but they did just build a new one over by the movie theater on the East side of town....does that count? lol
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