Yes it's built for a dyno competition, But really add Eddy stock or ported heads or similar or even Trick Flow on a decent built 318 10.5:1 short block with and 235 to 245 cam similar deal if not much more with the Trick flow. Not saying that's the recipe for the OP, just tired of 318 naysayers, ford guys build 302 all the time not their biggest small block do they get as much **** for doing it, and yes I know a lot of them stroke them too. Is a 318 the best option especially compared to a 360 not really but it's just as capable to a point. If the 42 cid is that big of a deal, then why do we build any small block a 440 has 80 cid over a 360.
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Yes it's built for a dyno competition, But really add Eddy stock or ported heads or similar or even Trick Flow on a decent built 318 10.5:1 short block with and 235 to 245 cam similar deal if not much more with the Trick flow. Not saying that's the recipe for the OP, just tired of 318 naysayers, ford guys build 302 all the time not their biggest small block do they get as much **** for doing it, and yes I know a lot of them stroke them too. Is a 318 the best option especially compared to a 360 not really but it's just as capable to a point. If the 42 cid is that big of a deal, then why do we build any small block a 440 has 80 cid over a 360.
PRH
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You didn’t mention the part about how the heads were ex-nhra super stock pieces...... or the aero package done to the crank, or the coatings, or the SS extra deep pan.
All those tricks, and it’s still over 80hp shy of 560hp 416, which is a very bread and butter bracket piece built with very generic parts and bowl ported RPM heads that flowed 270, 1.5 iron rockers, .560 gross lift cam.
So remove the aero package bottom end with the special coatings, replace the ex-nhra SS heads, the fancy pan, and the 1.7/1.6 rockers....... install the generic deep pan, no coatings bottom end, use std tension rings, bowl ported rpms, 1.5 rockers....... and it’s going to gain 80+hp?
You’d think if that’s how it would have played out....... they would have built it that way.
All those tricks, and it’s still over 80hp shy of 560hp 416, which is a very bread and butter bracket piece built with very generic parts and bowl ported RPM heads that flowed 270, 1.5 iron rockers, .560 gross lift cam.
So remove the aero package bottom end with the special coatings, replace the ex-nhra SS heads, the fancy pan, and the 1.7/1.6 rockers....... install the generic deep pan, no coatings bottom end, use std tension rings, bowl ported rpms, 1.5 rockers....... and it’s going to gain 80+hp?
You’d think if that’s how it would have played out....... they would have built it that way.
PRH
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I’m not diss-ing the 318 at all.
As I said in my first post..... a 350hp 360 headed 318 is easy.
Did it with a 2bbl 30 years ago.
It’s just going to be a higher strung combo than a 350hp 360.
So, in order for that to be what I would consider a successful combo in the car, it should be paired with plenty of stall and gear.
If that’s the type of package the OP is looking for......great.
But if he’s looking for something that works well with a more modest converter and gearing....... then build the motor to suit how you’ll be using the car and don’t worry about the hp numbers.
On the other hand.....a 350hp 360 would be tame enough to have the mild manners and tq to be happy with a mild converter and gearing...... and still end up being 350hp.
As I said in my first post..... a 350hp 360 headed 318 is easy.
Did it with a 2bbl 30 years ago.
It’s just going to be a higher strung combo than a 350hp 360.
So, in order for that to be what I would consider a successful combo in the car, it should be paired with plenty of stall and gear.
If that’s the type of package the OP is looking for......great.
But if he’s looking for something that works well with a more modest converter and gearing....... then build the motor to suit how you’ll be using the car and don’t worry about the hp numbers.
On the other hand.....a 350hp 360 would be tame enough to have the mild manners and tq to be happy with a mild converter and gearing...... and still end up being 350hp.
PRH
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Speaking of 302’s......
The hottest 302 Ford I ever tested had CNC ported Canfield heads that flowed just over 300, Victor manifold, some tricked up carb, 1-3/4 headers, 13:1cr, and a .667 lift UD roller cam.
That motor didn’t seem like it was minding the 8200rpm pulls at all.
It didn’t quite break 500hp.
It was 1.61hp/ci, which is very good for the stuff we usually see from single carb stuff.
Mid-10’s in a small tire fox body with a Jerico.
It had more flow, more cr, more lift, roller vs flat tappet, able to peak at a much higher rpm....... but......60hp less than the generic 416.
Edit..... The 302 testing happened years and years ago, and as I was thinking about it I had some of my facts mixed up.
When it made the 495hp it had some ported Ford J302 heads on it.
When it came back the second time it had the CNC ported Canfields on it, and it made about 30hp more with those..... 525-ish. That’s likely the best single carb hp/ci motor I’ve tested.......1.71hp/ci.
He bought those heads used, and I flowed them before he put them on. They made great power on that motor but shortly after he got the car going with them, it started using water and slowed right down.
They had porosity in a few runners, and the valve seats had started moving around.
Not pertinent to the thread...... I get that.
The hottest 302 Ford I ever tested had CNC ported Canfield heads that flowed just over 300, Victor manifold, some tricked up carb, 1-3/4 headers, 13:1cr, and a .667 lift UD roller cam.
That motor didn’t seem like it was minding the 8200rpm pulls at all.
It didn’t quite break 500hp.
It was 1.61hp/ci, which is very good for the stuff we usually see from single carb stuff.
Mid-10’s in a small tire fox body with a Jerico.
It had more flow, more cr, more lift, roller vs flat tappet, able to peak at a much higher rpm....... but......60hp less than the generic 416.
Edit..... The 302 testing happened years and years ago, and as I was thinking about it I had some of my facts mixed up.
When it made the 495hp it had some ported Ford J302 heads on it.
When it came back the second time it had the CNC ported Canfields on it, and it made about 30hp more with those..... 525-ish. That’s likely the best single carb hp/ci motor I’ve tested.......1.71hp/ci.
He bought those heads used, and I flowed them before he put them on. They made great power on that motor but shortly after he got the car going with them, it started using water and slowed right down.
They had porosity in a few runners, and the valve seats had started moving around.
Not pertinent to the thread...... I get that.
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B3422w5
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i raced that motor with a much smaller cam. I also drove it everywhere on the street, and even a 70ish mile round trip jaunt to the track.
It was extremely durable. Beat on it street/ strip for 4 years, and still ran perfectly when i sold the car.
Mopar Vinnie
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What was the comb9
B3422w5
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PRH
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I think he meant the car Don.
geez
B3422w5
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B3422w5
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Only picture handy of the car... painted steel bumpers...lol. Not my idea
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