5.9 Magnum-833od Q

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jd340

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So I've got a 5.9 Magnum-833od swap getting ready for my 83 D150. I'm gonna be using the pilot bearing. My question: Is there a specific (minimum) amount that needs to be trimmed off the input shaft for this to work? I've been reading anywhere from 1/2-1 1/2". Also, what's your preferred method for trimming it off? Would be it be ok to use a cut off disc on an angle grinder and then chamfer the tip? I don't have a fully equipped shop but I don't wanna screw it up either. Any help is greatly appreciated!
 
Have the crank bored to depth.
Trimming the input shaft will render the trany worthless and the extra length helps stability .
Which means less chance of vibration.
 
Check the crank to see if there's even any reason it won't fit as-is. It's not a given that the pocket isn't machined to depth if not a finish bore- lots of them are, and there's no reason to cut anything. If it's not full depth and the engine is already assembled, then it can be hand drilled since it's a non-critical dimension and you're using the roller bearing in the convertor pocket anyway.
Not a fan of cutting the input shaft, even though it gets done way too often.
 
I wonder why Chrysler didn’t drill them all to the same depth?
 
When you test-fit the transmission by installing it flush to the bellhousing, it should seat fully. If you notice resistance as you approach about a half-inch or less before seating, and it will not relatively easily push all the way to the seated position, there is likely interference from the input shaft to the crank's pilot hole. There needs to be a small amount of clearance for the two parts Crankshaft and input shaft) to spin independent of each other while the clutch is disengaged. You can stuff a small ball of aluminum foil into the crank hole, assemble the parts, and then remove and measure the now-crushed foil to estimate the actual clearance or not.

I have trimmed several input shafts by using a cutoff disc and chamfering the leading edge, as you described. It will not hurt anything. Even if you run a pilot bushing, it does not compromise the input shaft's bearing surface, as it is just forward of that.

Drilling out the crankshaft can yield the same effective result, however there are internal oil passages in the crank going from the mains to the rods. Do you know that you won't drill into one? you can probably figure that out if you look carefully. If the motor is not apart, this becomes more difficult to determine. I had one crank that weeped oil through the pilot bushing onto my clutch. I cleaned it out with brake cleaner and compressed air and then sealed it with Permatex. It sealed it and it hasn't seeped since. I assumed it was due to the proximity of an internal rod oiling passage, but that is not verified scientifically. Questioning the science, is science.
 
Super easy to measure using a caliper, Brewers has a great picture of the measurements and what you are aiming for

I bolted down my bellhousing with no clutch and test fit after my first trim, I was a bit conservative so took a bit more off and it cleared.

The end of my input shaft was quite hammered from pilot bushings over the years, so this was actually a very good option for me as the bearing is riding on an almost untouched area of the shaft now.

Alot easier than the alternative option in my humble opinion
 
Here are a couple drawings for reference. Each situation can be a little different, just need to measure yours out and make sure you have 1/8" clearance when you are done.

CRANK PILOT-MIN DIMENSIONS.jpg


PILOT BUSHING DRAWING.jpg
 
Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to this; most of my free time is spoken for. Thanks to Dan Brewer for the drawings! That gives me some numbers to shoot for. Pretty sure I've seen them on your site when I was buying parts! :rofl: Thanks everyone for your input!
 
Whatever you do, DO NOT cut the input shaft. A lot of the Chubbie crowd ran A833 transmissions and the input shaft had to be shortened. I can't tell you how many of these shortened shaft transmissions I've bought at swap meets and replaced the front shaft.
 
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