73’ 318 dies under accel with new intake & carb

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RRR,
I will lend you my glasses. Post #9. Man VA 'will cause a bog'.
And totally wrong to say a switch to MVA 'REQUIRES' a change in initial timing because in this case the OP has told us NOTHING about his combo other than it bogs.....
For all we know, the diaphragm in the VA unit is ruptured, with NO vac adv being applied, but causing an air leak....& bog. Just one of many possibilities.
Yep, that's what I said, and I stand by it.
I didn't say you ALWAYS use ported vac, it depends how you set up your engine, what ignition you're running and how you dial it in.
His is bone stock. Using manifold vacuum in this case WILL make it bog.
What I DID recommend is that he use ported vacuum because that is what the factory used, and he didn't change a SINGLE other thing other than the manifold and carburetor. His ignition is set up to run ported, and unless he changes a bunch of other things that I won't get into here (because it's not relevant to his issue), it won't perform properly.
Now, there could be other issues contributing to the problem, as others have pointed out- but it's certainly a contributing factor in his case.
 
Yep, that's what I said, and I stand by it.
I didn't say you ALWAYS use ported vac, it depends how you set up your engine, what ignition you're running and how you dial it in.
His is bone stock. Using manifold vacuum in this case WILL make it bog.
What I DID recommend is that he use ported vacuum because that is what the factory used, and he didn't change a SINGLE other thing other than the manifold and carburetor. His ignition is set up to run ported, and unless he changes a bunch of other things that I won't get into here (because it's not relevant to his issue), it won't perform properly.
Now, there could be other issues contributing to the problem, as others have pointed out- but it's certainly a contributing factor in his case.
My son and I were troubleshooting a problem with his 360 truck. We found the vacuum canister diaphragm was ruptured, and he was using full manifold vacuum. We replaced the canister, set it for the timed spark port, then retimed the dist. Difference in performance was amazing. Also, seems to me if using the full manifold vacuum and the engine backfires hard that could cause a ruptured VC?
 
I have heard smog engines used manifiold vac with vacuum switches and diverters etc. i would think older performance engines used ported.
 
Professor,
Where does the OP say his engine is 'bone stock'?
 
Professor,
Where does the OP say his engine is 'bone stock'?
IN GENERAL, if switching to manifold vacuum helps, then there's other issues with your timing and/or advance that need to be addressed. I'm NOT gonna sit here and start a pissing match with you. It's a vacuum hose. He moves it and it helps, or it doesn't and he moves on. I'm done.
 
IN GENERAL, if switching to manifold vacuum helps, then there's other issues with your timing and/or advance that need to be addressed. I'm NOT gonna sit here and start a pissing match with you. It's a vacuum hose. He moves it and it helps, or it doesn't and he moves on. I'm done.
Lol I appreciate your guy's advice, hope I didn't start a **** throwing contest. Engine is completely stock, besides it having egr from factory the new manifold removed egr. Carb was bought off my dad's friend who's a mechanic he said it was too small and needed a bigger one so I figured it'd be good for the 318. I'm not extremely knowledgeable about what could be wrong, it almost feels as if it's leaning out and when leaning on the throttle it sputters and dies. Unless it's all in my head I wanna say it runs better after it's warm and been driving.
 
Is the choke working and adjusted properly?
Choke's been adjusted multiple times by my mechanic because it had a hard time starting. Even he was racking his brain as to why it was so finnicky, one morning the engine kept turning over and wouldn't fire, I took off the air cleaner and the choke was stuck shut not letting any air in, I cracked it open and it started immediately. He also changed the springs for the metering rods and I don't think it's affected much.
 
The carb should have a choke pull-off that would open the choke once it fires up...assuming it's an automatic choke and not a manual/cable type. That adjustment is critical to get the engine running smoothly when the engine is cold. It has to let in the proper amount of air so it has the correct fuel ratio (a bit rich when cold). Too little air and it will run rich and belch black smoke out the tailpipe. Too much air and it will run lean and stumble/hesitate/die until the engine warms up. Once the engine is at full operating temp, the choke should be fully open and no longer affecting the running of the engine.
 
The carb should have a choke pull-off that would open the choke once it fires up...assuming it's an automatic choke and not a manual/cable type. That adjustment is critical to get the engine running smoothly when the engine is cold. It has to let in the proper amount of air so it has the correct fuel ratio (a bit rich when cold). Too little air and it will run rich and belch black smoke out the tailpipe. Too much air and it will run lean and stumble/hesitate/die until the engine warms up. Once the engine is at full operating temp, the choke should be fully open and no longer affecting the running of the engine.
Thanks for the advice, but my problem isn't the engine idling. Once it starts it idles fine and the problem lies when I start driving, not necessarily an off-idle stumble but when I start accelerating there's a lack of power in a otherwise smooth powerband. About a quarter throttle there is a dead spot and it will hesitate and die if you don't let off or stomp on it. Drove it on the highways and it's the best it's ever felt, feels super comfortable. Just getting there is rough lol
 
Thanks for the advice, but my problem isn't the engine idling. Once it starts it idles fine and the problem lies when I start driving, not necessarily an off-idle stumble but when I start accelerating there's a lack of power in a otherwise smooth powerband. About a quarter throttle there is a dead spot and it will hesitate and die if you don't let off or stomp on it. Drove it on the highways and it's the best it's ever felt, feels super comfortable. Just getting there is rough lol
I fought a 1411 for months trying to get it straight. I finally just kept upping the jet size and using a smaller and smaller metering rod until I was at the richest combo and it liked it.
 
I fought a 1411 for months trying to get it straight. I finally just kept upping the jet size and using a smaller and smaller metering rod until I was at the richest combo and it liked it.
I'm glad that worked out for you, but it is not a reasonable solution in my eyes. Something is making your A/F ratio way too lean. Seriously, going to the max jet/rod combo to make an engine happy means there is a serious vacuum leak somewhere that you're trying to cover up.
 
I have to ask is there any chance it has a MP distributor in it and the advance is going in way to fast?
 
I'm glad that worked out for you, but it is not a reasonable solution in my eyes. Something is making your A/F ratio way too lean. Seriously, going to the max jet/rod combo to make an engine happy means there is a serious vacuum leak somewhere that you're trying to cover up.
When you check and check for vacuum leaks and none are found, then the solution lies in the fuel distribution. I even hooked the smoke machine up to the engine and found no area for a vacuum leak. Many other people stated this carb ran extremely lean on their mild strokers.
 
When you check and check for vacuum leaks and none are found, then the solution lies in the fuel distribution. I even hooked the smoke machine up to the engine and found no area for a vacuum leak. Many other people stated this carb ran extremely lean on their mild strokers.
Wow, I'm surprised that you need to go that far to make it work correctly. I know the Edelbrocks claim to fame is the excellent performance for street vehicles, but can be tuned for modified ones as well. Setting the jets & rods to max would certainly pour a lot of fuel into that engine. I am running an AVS2 on my stock 360 & have a 408 on the way from Blueprint. Hope I don't have to go as far as you did to make it work correctly!
 
Wow, I'm surprised that you need to go that far to make it work correctly. I know the Edelbrocks claim to fame is the excellent performance for street vehicles, but can be tuned for modified ones as well. Setting the jets & rods to max would certainly pour a lot of fuel into that engine. I am running an AVS2 on my stock 360 & have a 408 on the way from Blueprint. Hope I don't have to go as far as you did to make it work correctly!
I would have been better off with a 1405 or 1406. Many people said the 1411 is extremely lean out of the box, so I would say the AVS2 is better than the one I used.
 
I've put four different Eddy carbs on two different engines.

A stock 1976 318 and a 1969 440 with a mild cam upgrade.

The 318 got a new in the box 600 cfm and then a 625 AVS.

The 440 got a swap meet 600 and then a 750.

All of them ran and ran decent after just bolting on.

The swap meet 600 on the 440 had the accell pump issue which was very easily fixed by taking it apart , soaking it, and blowing it out.

After that it ran well but lean surged, and that's when the 750 went on.
 
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