Any 10 second "All Throttle" 318's in door cars ?

[rumblefish360]

I agree. But when you take both apart side by side in stock form one will agree the 340 wins hands down. It just has better parts that make up the whole package. I believe cost was mentioned so, how much would one spend to make a 318 like a 340 is it worth it? When you start something like that your wallet gets tot he point where a man of average intelligence would say "WTF? I should have just bought a 340/360...I'd have the same money invested and have the bigger displacement package..." It s just thoughts I am not trying to bust balls. Honestly today I acknowledge 340s arent available...but if starting from scratch, for a performance build I'd hustle up the coin and pick up a 5.9 magnum and start there...I'd probably just buy a 5.9 performance Crate motor and be done in the end that's a wise expense, and a good starting point. Unless you own a machine shop and can really do the mods needed a 318 isn't where id start in my opinion the only thing I like about them is they are low cost and common .

So you and mean416 what to trash the thread by not helping and turn this into yet another 318 vs 340 thread when the OP has already decided to have run with the 318 even though he knows what he wants to do & knows the 340 is better for this?

I don’t get it. Why is it you want to carry on with stating the common no brainer knowledge and continue to push against what someone wants to do with there junk?

 

[fishmens67]

Where is that 283 with all the Hi po parts and race fuel. lol
The kid was a California implant in Boise. lol
The we spud heads never stood a chance

 

[rumblefish360]

I am trying to help by saying "start with a 360 or 5.9 magnum" I cant help that you disagree... you waste your time and money on a 318 and tell us how about that...?

Well for starters if you actually had read the thread you would not have made the comment you had and would have STFU to start with. Just by your post alone shows your reading comprehension is incredibly low and possible an extremely dim brain.

You’re not helping when the decision has been made and the reasons why are clearly stated.

Clearly (and please forgive me for the use of the word) an idiot!

Here’s the second reason. Where do you see ME investing anything into a 318?
(I’ll help you here, the answer is none.)
What makes you think I’m doing an318?
(I’ll help you here again, I’m not.)

But if I did or was going to build an318 for any reason, and let’s just go with racing for fun here —— it would be the challenge to do so. If your not up for the challenge, that’s OK and fine.

Let’s go with a regular street engine, mild performance, I say why not? I have it on hand. According to you, I should spend more money on a bigger displacement block.

While it has been already said about it being easier to make more power, sometimes some people ether just want to work with what they have and sometimes money is an issue.

So why do you continue o be a dick?

 

[pittsburghracer]

Merry Christmas everyone

 

[B3422w5]

guess I don’t understand the “ 318 costs more money to build” stuff.
Why.
pistons and rods would be same price, as would carb, intake, heads, headers, etc.
at the end of the day the 318 will be down on power/ET at the track due to smaller bore and cubes.
the 340 is a better motor from the factory because it had better Parts and more compression. It isn’t rocket
science. Bigger cam, better flowing heads, bigger bore, it better run better by a bunch.
but you start running similar parts in both, the difference is going to begin getting smaller


In fact, it just occured to me I kinda tested a 318 vs 360 at the track myself
that enginemasters motor with heads flowing low 270’s at 600 with a 600 lift 230@ 50 solid. 950, airgap knockoff , small tube headers , correct 8 inch vert, 904, went 11.60’s at 115.50 retaining stock fan, waterpump,
and power steering at 3400 pounds.

360 motor was in 3350 pound car. 904, correct 8 inch vert, heads that went low 270’s at 550 lift. 260@50 solI’d cam that was 565 lift.
same 950 carb, airgap( not knockoff) same size headers) went 11.26 best at 118.40.

put a bigger cam in the 318 to more closely match the 318 cam, and remove power steering and go to electric fan and waterpump( which the 360 had) the difference becomes very little. Very little

 

[fishmens67]

20 years from now, guy's will be laughing about the use of anything but the gen 111. lol
Old diehards might be reaching for that 318 that has some life left in the block. lol
I hope 318willrun builds a 10 or 11 second 318

 

[DionR]

Dude GFY. I have been polite in my posts I even posted disclaimers such as "I am not bashing Tony just calling it as is.."I cant help you are retarded and dont comprehend.

Polite or not, the OP started by saying "this is what I have". Thus, the question of "why not got bigger" is null and void.

The OP has the parts, he wants to put them together, he doesn't care if there are better options because he has what he has, and bringing up those other options is pointless and only derails the thread.

 

[rumblefish360]

Dude GFY. I have been polite in my posts I even posted disclaimers such as "I am not bashing Tony just calling it as is.."I cant help you are retarded and dont comprehend.

GFY???

I’ve been polite as well but just telling it like it is. You don’t like my words, leave the thread. We have enough 318 haters mucking up threads.

You say you’re not bashing Tony. Who the F is Tony?
Is 318WR’s name Tony?
Your “Disclaimer” has been thrown in the trash by your own words and direction of not helping. The OP is building what he has on hand and that’s a 318. And it’s obvious you don’t like it but like to muck up the thread.

The only retarded replies are coming from you.
You have zero comprehension here. Start reading the thread over again! Seriously!!!!

You and only you have made it clear your an idiot.

Read DionR’s post again and again until you can understand it in full. Dude! WTF is wrong with you????

Thank you @DionR

@B3422w5, thank you, exactly!

@pittsburghracer Merry Christmas brother!

 

[rumblefish360]

Polite or not, the OP started by saying "this is what I have". Thus, the question of "why not got bigger" is null and void.

DING DING DING DING DING

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!!!!!!

100% exactly the issue being ignored!!!!
And someone has the nerve to call me retarded and no comprehension!!!!

The OP has the parts, he wants to put them together, he doesn't care if there are better options because he has what he has, and bringing up those other options is pointless and only derails the thread.

And some have the nerve to obviously disregard this as if never written and then bash it as a waste of time and effort.
Unbelievable!!!!!

They must be closet Chevy guys trolling FABO.

 

[pittsburghracer]

Hey it’s been a fun winter post and one that keeps us occupied during the off season. I like guys that love 318’s as that less competition trying to buy up the 360 blocks. I remember when they were the red headed stepchild nobody wanted. Some guys are still that way. Just enjoy the ride and contribute to his thoughts and process. We can all learn something out of posts like these.

 

[rumblefish360]

Well, you didn't need to resort to name calling.

Just calling it like it is and trying to prevent you from further thread mucking and showing yourself up as lost.

Good luck geniuses

Thanks but don’t label me as such. (I know your being sarcastic! LMAO!)

I would suggest paying attention to that Vizard build see what he gets out of a 318 LA engine...

I’m going to but won’t follow the route if and when I build a 318.

and pay attention to the cost(machine work). How much are you willing to pay ?

Machining a 318 block is the same as matching a 340 block.
Besides the bore size, what’s the difference in machining?
The only difference in building a 318 vs a 340 is piston and rings cost.

How do you not see this?

 

[rumblefish360]

hey you called me a dick first don't start crying over GFY.

I don’t know what GFY is and that’s why there’s question marks after it.

al I am saying is no one here is going to build a cheap fast 318

Whoa! Let’s stop you right there. Read above, machining costs.
Anybody building any engine to go fast is going to pay more than a simple rebuild. If you can’t work around a smaller bore size, then you need to learn a good bit and I’d start reading a whole lot of information! This is your issue & your issue alone.
Don’t make your issue my issue of which I have none with smaller bore engines.

or you would hav edone it already.

I have in the past thank you very much but I’m not going back to prove this to anyone and even more so yourself. This is not my build thread.

here we are in 2022 and yall are like "whats the secret for a 10 second 318" dont you think it would have been done like, back in 1981...?

That’s funny! ‘81! Just around the time my teener was running low 11’s in my E body. LMAO! Oooo, them’z wuz da dayz!
Part time deli worker wallet studying in school.

That reminds me of a guy that slammed a 6 pack on his 318.
Man that thing would run!

 

[rumblefish360]

I've shared my knowledge and info you called me a dick, now I leave... hopefully to never interact with any of you again. You must live with mom if you have the money to waste figuring out what the Chrysler engineers have already figured out over 50 years ago.

LMAO! By by!!!!!!

Oh yea! Shared knowledge! Repeating what’s been written for decades! Nice one!

Act like a dick get called a dick …..

Money to waste? Naaaa, I read up and know what Chrysler and the MP performance books say and have for about 30+ years now. Those and a lot of other sources.

Only a guy like you could assume such a thing and write it down as such along with the stupid reply of you must live with your mom. Good heavens how lame is that?

And all this time you still not only reply to me but just keep on chasing that rabbit down the hole.


YYYYYYYES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!

Please leave since your not helping!

HELP A MOPAR BROTHER OUT OR SAY NOTHING

 

[fishmens67]

OH MY !! lol I don't have to look out my window to see winter is upon us. lol

 

[fishmens67]

I think with E85 now available to most and considered street fuel it opened up the building of higher compression engines. I have no problem using an 8 inch converter in a street build and know many who run one. Caltracks and Micky Thompson street radials fix most traction issues. A .550-.620 roller cam would probably be my go to with a set of ported Speedmaster or Edelbrock heads flowing 285-300cfm in the usable lift range. Because of the high stall a ported Victor340 and a 750-850 Holley carb. Safely in around 11.5-1 compression and Scat rods. The smart build would probably have a 904 transmission and 4.10 gears. I’m not much of a windage tray guy but for a street build it would require a different type of pan than I am used to so more attention would be spent on drainback and windage issues. Standard oil pump gently massaged for a starting point.

 

[318willrun]

A 318, compared with other engines out there in production, either before or after the 318 was produced, was and is still a mid to large displacement engine.

When I look at other engines out there with similar displacement, there are countless examples of really high HP 5.2ish liters of displacement.

I really love all things mopar so hey I love a fast 318. However, all other things being equal, a 273/318/340/360/390/408/422 all occupy the same exact outer footprint, and likely a very similar weight. All other things considered displacement will still rule the day. To each his own though, by virtue we're all mopar guys, none of us are choosing the mainstream or easy path.

has anyone said different ?? Anyone ??? This thread has absolutely nothing to do with somebody "selecting a 318 for the glory or claims it to be faster than a 410 stroker" or to prove anything. It does have everything to do with the OP (that be me) having some parts laying around and pondering on maybe bolting the parts together that is mostly on hand. Guess what? If it was a 360 on the stand then it would be a 360. If it as a 273 on the stand then it would be a 273. I do not understand why this is difficult at all to understand... understand ?? LOL

 

[318willrun]

Hey it’s been a fun winter post and one that keeps us occupied during the off season. I like guys that love 318’s as that less competition trying to buy up the 360 blocks. I remember when they were the red headed stepchild nobody wanted. Some guys are still that way. Just enjoy the ride and contribute to his thoughts and process. We can all learn something out of posts like these.

this 318 is on the stand because I pulled it out of our '80 D150 to install a 360

 

[318willrun]

What parts do you have laying around?

the complete and running '85 318 that we pulled from the '80 D150. We have brand new Speedmaster heads still in the box. 273 adjustable rockers/shafts and push rods. We have brand new air gaps in the box, but will probably use a old used single plane for cheap. I have roller cams for cores to have reground. We have gaskets laying around. We have a 318 car oil pan and pick up tube. And soon we'll have the dual quad set up laying around.

 

[glockr]

UTG didnt do squat with his 10 second 318 buid. He has David vizard a mechanical engineer trying to figure another 318 build out. I predict it goes nowhere it will cost too much and Tony will bail he wont want to pony up the $$$. This is the reality of trying to build a 318 into a hot performer. Before you all say i am bashing tony I am not I am just calling it like i see it.

I remember watching a UTG video on how the 225 slant was junk, the 170 far superior, blah blah blah. Awhile later another video on how putting long rods in a 225 killed power, blah blah blah. Then a final video where he goes and finds a racer with a 225 built exactly the way UTG said was wrong and gets his doors blown off. He's entertaining to watch, but after that I take everything he says with a grain of salt. My love for the 318 has absolutely nothing to do with him. Oh, and the way he trashed those kids with the Junkyard Jet, and Mopar Al over Slag Hammer kind of sucked imo.


As far as the 318, I see no reason it couldn't be built to run 10's if the rest of the car was taken care of too. As others have mentioned, other makes of 5.2ish engines have been built at the 475-500 HP level so why not the 318? I don't think ANYONE is arguing that it would be a "budget build."

 

[318willrun]

And actually .... the point of the thread was to see if any fellows would like to post their "wild & fast" 318 builds. I would like to look over their builds if they wish to share. AGAIN... (lol), this is not about me building a 10 second 318 or claims of any goal.

For those that want to make it about UTG, or "why the 318", responding to them only fuels their "odd" motive. I say odd, because I don't understand it. This thread has done great and has been informative till maybe one or two show up with nothing to add but turmoil.

 

[Mean416]

Go to the racer's forum and look up the numerous recipes for 10 second cars.

 

[273]

UTG didnt do squat with his 10 second 318 buid. He has David vizard a mechanical engineer trying to figure another 318 build out. I predict it goes nowhere it will cost too much and Tony will bail he wont want to pony up the $$$. This is the reality of trying to build a 318 into a hot performer. Before you all say i am bashing tony I am not I am just calling it like i see it.

What does any of that got to do with this thread ?
You think a guy that goes under the name 318willrun for the last 10 years was brainwashed by Tony to use 318's ?

 

[Mean416]

Here's a swag. Those with more experience may get you closer.

Heads and matched single plane intake of your choice ported to flow better than 270 cfm.
12:1 compression
Good set of headers, i.e. something like husslers.
Plenty of cam...260 ish@ 50. Enough lift to support the heads. Damn good valve train components because it needs to rev. Solid roller best bet.
5000+ stall, 456 gears.

Proper chassis setup for a solid launch.

 

[273]

Right now if I left where I am sitting i can be in Carlisle within a half an hour would you like to resume the conversation face to face in july there asshole?

What ? Lol

 

[273]

I made you an offer you cant refuse. You want to gang up on peopl ewho have differing opinions on line but balk at the opportunity to do it in person...Im sure you drag your *** down here for the carlisle nationals correct?

I don't know what your even talking about,carlisle nationals? and your the one can't accept other's opinions we got it you don't like tony and 318 can we go on with the thread now without you going on and on about it.