Any lube that would stop front suspension squeaking?

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Ken71Twister

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I have a 1971 Duster. I had pretty much everything replaced in the front suspension about 25 years ago. I’ve driven very few miles since then but the years have led to loud squeaking from the front suspension. I’ve attempted WD-40 and silicone spray on the rubber parts/interfaces that I can see - but minimal help. Anything I can do short of having everything replaced again? I also used a grease gun on parts that had the necessary fitting.
 
I have a 1971 Duster. I had pretty much everything replaced in the front suspension about 25 years ago. I’ve driven very few miles since then but the years have led to loud squeaking from the front suspension. I’ve attempted WD-40 and silicone spray on the rubber parts/interfaces that I can see - but minimal help. Anything I can do short of having everything replaced again? I also used a grease gun on parts that had the necessary fitting.

25 years ago? I think you need to reconsider how long you think suspension bushings should last. Even if the mileage is low, rubber oxidizes and deteriorates with time. Sitting is worse than driving.

If you’ve greased all the joints that need servicing and it still makes noise, it’s probably time to rebuild the suspension.

The other possibility is that something broke, so inspect your k frame welds, pivot tubes, engine mounts etc.
 
I’ve never worked on this part of the car and I’m no longer a young man. If it needs a rebuild - is it something that a novice could do after buying the necessary parts? I realize that I’d need to have the car professionally aligned after doing this. I’m also wondering how many hours this task might take if I’m able to rent space on a lift at a near-by military base.
 
So does it sound like metal on metal, metal on rubber, rubber on rubber
 
You don't need new components, you are simply lacking grease in the right places.

Not with 25 year old rubber bushings he’s not. Rubber bushings from 1999 are smoked even if they just sat on the shelf that long.

And if by some miracle the rubber hasn’t completely deteriorated, if it’s a ball joint making that noise then more grease isn’t going to fix it now.
 
I’ve never worked on this part of the car and I’m no longer a young man. If it needs a rebuild - is it something that a novice could do after buying the necessary parts? I realize that I’d need to have the car professionally aligned after doing this. I’m also wondering how many hours this task might take if I’m able to rent space on a lift at a near-by military base.
if you have basic mechanical skills, yeah you could tackle it. but go in knowing that it's bone crushing knuckle busting work that will slap *** wear you out.

the only special tools you'll need are for the upper ball joints, but you can rent the socket. the lower control arm bushing r&r is probably best left to a specialist, unless you have access to a press and know your way around those kinds of things you can **** up more than you can fix right quick. for the upper control arm bushing you can fashion a removal and install tool out of some washers and pipe.

i don't know how quick you are with the polished steel, but figure probably 2hrs to tear down. 2hrs to clean, inspect and R&R balljoints and bushings and then probably 3~4 hrs to reassemble. assuming nothing's broke, froze up or busted off.
 
Based on how loud it squeaks - I’d guess rubber on rubber but ….that’s just a guess.

If it's a rubber squeak it probably means a torn bushing. None of the rubber bushings get lubricated, with normal function the rubber doesn't slide or spin on any of the surfaces. The normal suspension movement should just be the rubber flexing one way or the other. So if you have a rubber squeak it means the rubber is sliding over a surface it wasn't supposed to slide on.

You could try to isolate the noise further, you have rubber bushings at the UCA, LCA, and one end of the strut rods. Unless you have a sway bar, in which case you also have end link and sway bar bushings. If you can isolate it you could just change the bushing in question instead of a wholesale suspension rebuild. But if everything was replaced at the same time you'll probably just end up right back where you started when the next one goes bad.

I’ve never worked on this part of the car and I’m no longer a young man. If it needs a rebuild - is it something that a novice could do after buying the necessary parts? I realize that I’d need to have the car professionally aligned after doing this. I’m also wondering how many hours this task might take if I’m able to rent space on a lift at a near-by military base.

Replacing the bushings themselves really isn't something that requires a ton of skill, but it does require some specialized tools. You'll have to loosen the torsion bar adjusters, then slide the torsion bars back. The shocks get removed, then the spindles will need to be broken loose from the ball joints. Remove the strut rod nuts, loosen the pivot shaft nuts and slide the LCA out of the K frame, then you've got the UCA's.

The UCA bushings can be removed with a tool like this, in fact I prefer this to a press because it's just about impossible to bend the UCA with this...
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The lower control arm bushings are the trick, they're a pain in the ***. @Jim Lusk has a video showing a couple methods to remove them...


I personally use the tap method to remove the outer shells, it's so much easier. But you need to buy the tap, although they're pretty cheap on eBay most of the time. I paid less than $20 for mine. Either that or you weld a washer to the outer shell and press it out, or use a chisel (carefully) to split the shell and roll it over to press it out. Regardless you need a press for the LCA bushing removal and install, I've tried using a puller method with the Mancini tools (basically what I have pictured above for the UCA's but with a MUCH longer pipe and bolt) but the LCA bushing operations usually requires more force than the bolt threads can take. So I'd say a press is a must for the LCA's. And then either the tap, or a welder, or a chisel. But the welder or chisel method both require some care, because if you screw those up you can damage the LCA to the point where your reinstall will be a problem.

The strut rod bushings are easy. If you have an early sway bar, the sway bar bushings are also a problem because of the way they're captured in the mounts. I don't have an early sway bar like that so I don't know all the tricks for those.

As for hours, I'd say at least 8. More for a novice, and that assumes everything goes well. If something is rusted, stuck, or goes sideways on the LCA bushing shell removal, well, it could take a lot longer.
 
It is possible that you have polyurethane bushings.25 years ago I did my Duster with polyurethane bushings. No one told me that you had to grease them.My squeak was from the sway bar bushings.A few years later some suspension companies started installing grease fittings in their parts.
I know what you are talking about. Man did they squeak ! Places like Energy Suspension or PST has grease you can buy.
In a pinch you can also use teflon Marine Grease that won't wash off.
 
You sound like you’ve experienced the same thing. The squeaking is almost embarrasing - I’m assuming some of this can be heard outside the car. It seems to be coming from many sources and past efforts with spray lubricant have had very little effect.
 
OMG!! That sounds like a lot of hurdles to deal with a many opportunities to break things. This is more than I want to take on by myself - especially as it heats up here in FL. I’m waiting for an estimate to have several things done at once and I’ll probably add this one to the pile. The other work will include having the engine pulled and steering box refurbished - so this other stuff might be easier to get to in the middle of the other work. I bought this car new for $2700 and I spend that much now every time I sneeze.
 
It is possible that you have polyurethane bushings.25 years ago I did my Duster with polyurethane bushings. No one told me that you had to grease them.My squeak was from the sway bar bushings.A few years later some suspension companies started installing grease fittings in their parts.
I know what you are talking about. Man did they squeak ! Places like Energy Suspension or PST has grease you can buy.
In a pinch you can also use teflon Marine Grease that won't wash off.

You sound like you’ve experienced the same thing. The squeaking is almost embarrasing - I’m assuming some of this can be heard outside the car. It seems to be coming from many sources and past efforts with spray lubricant have had very little effect.

If the squeak was due to poly bushings that haven't been lubricated the spray lubricant would have at least temporarily eliminated/reduced the squeaking. The fact that the spray lubricants didn't at least temporarily solve the issue means either the source didn't get sprayed, or lubrication isn't going to fix it.

If nothing is worn out, I'd just live with the squeak, or, turn the radio up louder! :lol:

If it squeaks though it means it is worn out, or soon will be. If they're rubber bushings the squeak means they're garbage already. If they're poly bushings and they've been squeaking for awhile, well, they're probably worn out now because they need to remain lubricated and the squeak means they dried out. If they're run like that, the friction makes short work of them.
 
Tell us a little more about the squeaks. Squeaks when you hit a bump? Squeaks when you turn? What do you hear if you simply bounce the car up and down by hand? Does it squeak then?

It sounds like worn/old upper control arm bushings, they will lead to an obnoxious squeak when the suspension travels up/down.

As to replacing parts, before I bought new upper control arm bushings and upper ball joints, I would check the price on a new UCA with these parts already attached. It will save you a fair amount of work. I'm more of an e-body guy, so I'm not sure of availability/price for a complete assembly but folks on this forum will know.

As to your original question, Liquid Wrench hands down. My 71 Barracuda had bad UCA bushings on one side when I bought it. I used Liquid Wrench to verify the source of the noise. I hit the UCA bushings with it and the noise disappeared immediately. Previous attempts with WD40, silicone spray, etc. didn't quiet anything. FWIW, It was quiet for 30 days or so, then came back. I replaced the bushings a short time later.

One last thing, if you're gonna try the Liquid Wrench, don't do the whole car at once. If you spray everything and it gets quiet, you won't know what was squeaking. So spray a couple bushings and test drive/bounce the car. Then spray a couple more, rinse and repeat. Keep hitting suspension parts until it gets quiet. That should at least tell you what's making the noise. The downside is it can be messy, so I would avoid the aerosol can/spray and instead just buy the bottle with the extendable dropper.

One last thing, I do agree with the other folks that the squeaky parts need replaced at some point in the future. Best of luck, let us know what you find.
 
As to replacing parts, before I bought new upper control arm bushings and upper ball joints, I would check the price on a new UCA with these parts already attached. It will save you a fair amount of work. I'm more of an e-body guy, so I'm not sure of availability/price for a complete assembly but folks on this forum will know.
i don't know how else to word this, so here goes: this is a wonderful idea and could potentially save you money, if you don't care about the quality of the components in the arm or the quality of the arm itself.

i'm not all ma mopar made the best stuff since sliced bread, but having seen, held and installed aftermarket stamped arms there is a noticeable difference and the ball joints and bushings are straight hong kong phooey.

it might be a little more money, but if you rebuild the OE arms at least you'll know there's quality components in them.
 
Save a ton of work and frigging, get the upper and lower arms done

I have a new set of k7103 moog offset upper control arms you'll need if you're going to run modern radials on the front

I'll give em to you
 
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Based on how loud it squeaks - I’d guess rubber on rubber but ….that’s just a guess.

Like I told a friend one day.
1.Find a low spot in the road and dump 10 gallons of 90wt so it makes a big puddle.

2.Drive through it really fast.
May take multiple passes.
 
i dunno, you AZ fellas are just a tick off center so you never know. i think it's the heat....

also, gear oil is my kryptonite.

A “tick”???
You gotta lot to learn about AZ people.
We’re way more off than that.
 
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