Brake Pedal Swap

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So I'm going from manual to auto on the '65 Valiant. Can I just pull the two pedals and install the proper brake pedal for the automatic in place of the previous pedal, or does the entire pedal assembly need to be swapped out?
I hope that made sense.
TIA!
 
Thank you Craig, I hope it is, that will make the job easier on me.
 
i agree. many jhave sold the early A combo pedals and they look to mount right up to the auto brake pedal
 
The main difference between 66 back and 67 up is the main frame the pedals are mounted in. Remove your manual pedals and obtain a auto pedal and it will install no problems.
 
You could save yourself some grief & just leave the clutch pedal attached. (you might want to go back to, or next owner may want a manual trans.) I've seen the pedal just put behind the carpet or fastened to the floor some way. I know it sounds strange, but I have seen it done that way.
 
SGBARRACUDA said:
The main difference between 66 back and 67 up is the main frame the pedals are mounted in....
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The frame does appear to be different between the early and late setup, but there is a significant difference in the brake pedal itself as well. The early brake pedal curves around to the right of the column while the later brake pedal is to the left of the column.

Had a friend that bought a '74 Duster with a 318 and a 4 speed swap done on it. He was having problems with the brake pedal hanging up and we discovered that the 4 speed swap was done with an early brake pedal and it was dragging on the steering column. So I would postulate that an early brake pedal should not be used in a later car.

I think when the A-Body was widened in '67, the top of the column moved out while the steering box stayed in the same place or at least didn't move as much. This caused the column to be at an angle and put it up against the brake pedal, so they moved the arm of the pedal over to the other side of the column resulting in two different brake pedals.
 
DionR said:
The frame does appear to be different between the early and late setup, but there is a significant difference in the brake pedal itself as well. The early brake pedal curves around to the right of the column while the later brake pedal is to the left of the column.

Had a friend that bought a '74 Duster with a 318 and a 4 speed swap done on it. He was having problems with the brake pedal hanging up and we discovered that the 4 speed swap was done with an early brake pedal and it was dragging on the steering column. So I would postulate that an early brake pedal should not be used in a later car.

I think when the A-Body was widened in '67, the top of the column moved out while the steering box stayed in the same place or at least didn't move as much. This caused the column to be at an angle and put it up against the brake pedal, so they moved the arm of the pedal over to the other side of the column resulting in two different brake pedals.
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No I’ll bet the wrong pilot tube was used. Automatic and standard are different. I’ve built and sold to many sets of pedals and know the difference. The small pipe with the slot in it that is held in place by a piece of steel with a U cut in it and held in place with a 1/4” x24 bolt and nut, is DIFFERENT between auto pedal and clutch/brake pedal assembly. The manual pipe is longer and the slot is in a different place that spaces the clutch pedal farther outboard.
 
SGBARRACUDA said:
No I’ll bet the wrong pilot tube was used. Automatic and standard are different. I’ve built and sold to many sets of pedals and know the difference. The small pipe with the slot in it that is held in place by a piece of steel with a U cut in it and held in place with a 1/4” x24 bolt and nut, is DIFFERENT between auto pedal and clutch/brake pedal assembly. The manual pipe is longer and the slot is in a different place that spaces the clutch pedal farther outboard.
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Didn't know that.

But I stand by my point that the curve in the pedal is completely different and the early car is on the right of the column and the late car is on the left. I have one of both on my garage floor right now, but will try and find example online so I don't have to go through the steps to get a picture uploaded.
 
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Here is a link to a pedal setup for an early car:

Brewer's Performance - Mopar A833 4-Speed Transmission and Component Specialists

And a later car:

Brewer's Performance - Mopar A833 4-Speed Transmission and Component Specialists

Not sure why I can't link just the picture, would be easier.

Either way, look at how there is a large gap between the clucth and brake pedal arms on the early car, but the late car setup has them really close together.

The clutch pedal itself is pretty much the same as far as I can tell, minus the different pad.
 
Here's a set side by side:

four-speed-1-jpg.jpg
 
Post all pictures you want. And your right they may be different. But I have built and sold the later style on the right in the early main bracket on the left and the later style on the right. They all are located in the same spot on the body and dash frame. After all early and late style go thru the fire wall and mount the master cylinder in the same spot. I list both ways for sale here a while back. Sold both of the set ups. I did a search but I guess it wouldn’t go back far enough.
 
SGBARRACUDA said:
Post all pictures you want. And your right they may be different. But I have built and sold the later style on the right in the early main bracket on the left and the later style on the right. They all are located in the same spot on the body and dash frame. After all early and late style go thru the fire wall and mount the master cylinder in the same spot. I list both ways for sale here a while back. Sold both of the set ups. I did a search but I guess it wouldn’t go back far enough.
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Not trying to piss you off, just sharing my experience. Almost sounds like you are talking about the main bracket? I am only talking about the pedal, nothing else. The brake pedal is clearly different between the two, that’s all I am saying.
 
No what I’m saying is I have used the later pedals in the early 66 back and in the later 67 up main frame.
 
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