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Bob I agree with ya crankcase vacuum is a good thing, but 5" is alot, it has to have a source creating it. The only source that can create that much vacuum is the induction system. Hence my statement " you have an internal vacuum leak causing high CRANKCASE vacuum".
My thought is that you may have an intake manifold vacuum leaking into the crankcase.
We can throw all of this out the window if you are running a vacuum pump and or a header e-vac system or just call me Nuts.
Just for conversation how much intake manifold vacuum do you have at idle? What is your current idle speed?


I run pan evacs and a PCV valve on a closed system. I’m going to data log crankcase vacuum, but I’m betting at a cruise I’m getting 5 inches, maybe a skosh more. At WOT I know a properly placed pan evac will pull 4-5 inches.
 
I run pan evacs and a PCV valve on a closed system. I’m going to data log crankcase vacuum, but I’m betting at a cruise I’m getting 5 inches, maybe a skosh more. At WOT I know a properly placed pan evac will pull 4-5 inches.
Man that just blows me away that you Guy's can pull that much crankcase vacuum. I guess in this case more is better. Ya learn something every day.
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Man that just blows me away that you Guy's can pull that much crankcase vacuum. I guess in this case more is better. Ya learn something every day.
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Well hold on...that was at 8000 plus when I measured that. And I had 2.125 inch headers with 4 inch collectors.

Sooooooo...I’m ASSuming I can pull the same with 1.875 primaries and 3.5 inch collectors at 7000. Im also ASSuming that the amount of crankcase depression I can pull is based not only on how well the engine is sealed, but that the amount of depression is based on the efficiency of the system and not the size.

So it’s all conjecture and speculation on my part, but I *THINK* I can do it, based on what I was told before I actually tested it in 1999 and that was 2, maybe 3 inches of vacuum was max.

I hope I’m correct, but I think I can do it.
 
Well hold on...that was at 8000 plus when I measured that. And I had 2.125 inch headers with 4 inch collectors.

Sooooooo...I’m ASSuming I can pull the same with 1.875 primaries and 3.5 inch collectors at 7000. Im also ASSuming that the amount of crankcase depression I can pull is based not only on how well the engine is sealed, but that the amount of depression is based on the efficiency of the system and not the size.

So it’s all conjecture and speculation on my part, but I *THINK* I can do it, based on what I was told before I actually tested it in 1999 and that was 2, maybe 3 inches of vacuum was max.

I hope I’m correct, but I think I can do it.
Back in the day I was a Service Engineer for Waukesha Engine
Regularly worked on turbo charged V16 engines that were 9390 CID
At full load around 3500 HP they would pull around 5 inches of water water column of crankcase vacuum. No blow by and would run in excess of 20,000 hours between repower.
 
Bob I agree with ya crankcase vacuum is a good thing, but 5" is alot, it has to have a source creating it. The only source that can create that much vacuum is the induction system. Hence my statement " you have an internal vacuum leak causing high CRANKCASE vacuum".
My thought is that you may have an intake manifold vacuum leaking into the crankcase.
We can throw all of this out the window if you are running a vacuum pump and or a header e-vac system or just call me Nuts.
Just for conversation how much intake manifold vacuum do you have at idle? What is your current idle speed?

Intake vacuum is about 8-9 at idle , which surprises and pleases me w/ the cam I`m running. About 14-15 cruising on the hi way , any throttle pressure change drops it immediately.
I have both 3/8 nipples sticking out of the back of my 1200 cfm throttle body , teed together and ran to the oil catch can , (which is coming off, no oil has shown up.) F.A.S.T. says both nipples are intake vacuum below the throttle blades.
I just tried a pan evac on the drivers side, it reduced my crankcase vacuum by 1 1/2'' up to about 4200 , didnt nail it w/ it hooked up , guess my mufflers have a little more back pressure than I thot , really thot it would work, but I`ve been told that they dont create more than about 1'' with open headers.
I think the good case vacuum comes from my gapless rings seating , 5'' aint too hi, the better the ring seal , the more vacuum .
power brakes require about 16-18'' intake vacuum on most cars.
Really not that unusual for a sealed up engine according to one of my mech./18 time record holder friends .
Like I posted before , a past friend bought a new 502 gm crate motor that had so much crankcase vacuum , he had to put an adjustable pcv valve on it /$75 !
''Its nice to not have any oil leaks too !''
Guess I`ll try putting a breather on the opposite side , just to see what diff it makes , should lower the gauge and maybe make it idle faster /vacuum leak---?? Really shouldn`t /sealed up as well as it is now , still another ?????
always experimenting -------I know it doesn`t like the opposite side breather hooked to the air filter , makes it idle way hi , aint got that figured out yet.
No I dont have an intake leak , My intake fits better than any I have ever messed with. almost could run it w/ gasket sealer only , I can see down the runners to see the port matching too , another reason I like tall single planes .
I will probly ''just for looks'' , end up with a vacuum nipple running to each side valve cover and the screw in cap on the oil fill hole.
AND THE SAGA CONTINUES ------------------''starrtrek"-----------------------lol----long *** post !
 
Back in the day I was a Service Engineer for Waukesha Engine
Regularly worked on turbo charged V16 engines that were 9390 CID
At full load around 3500 HP they would pull around 5 inches of water water column of crankcase vacuum. No blow by and would run in excess of 20,000 hours between repower.

I used to work for dresser ind. , got to work on a whole bunch of diff engines they made , mostly complete overhaul . Some of those engines ran for 35 yrs. , with no shut down , they even changed oil in them running .
Never got to work on their v20 , but did work on a v16 in kansas once.
Those engines ran about 200 to 350 rpm , and at that size they should suck the hat of ur head ,I would have thot , never got into that ----------
Dam , i hated grinding poppet valves and bearing scraping ,the reason I BECAME A PLUMBER ,''was a shi--- job tho !----------LOL
 
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I used to work for dresser ind. , got to work on a whole bunch of diff engines they made , mostly complete overhaul . Some of those engines ran for 35 yrs. , with no shut down , they even changed oil in them running .
Never got to work on their v20 , but did work on a v16 in kansas once.
Those engines ran about 200 to 350 rpm , and at that size they should suck the hat of ur head ,I would have thot , never got into that ----------
Dam , i hated grinding poppet valves and bearing scraping ,the reason I BECAME A PLUMBER ,''was a shi--- job tho !----------LOL
Those were the days my friend
 
I run pan evacs and a PCV valve on a closed system. I’m going to data log crankcase vacuum, but I’m betting at a cruise I’m getting 5 inches, maybe a skosh more. At WOT I know a properly placed pan evac will pull 4-5 inches.

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