Edelbrock 1406 Not Pulling Fuel into Carb

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Hey All,

I'm sure there is something simple and obvious I'm missing but I am still stumped. Long story short, after putting the carburetor back on, I wasn't getting any fuel into the actual carburetor when pumping the gas. Not even into the fuel bowls. I disconnected the fuel line from the Fuel Inlet and manually sucked fuel from the tank to make sure it wasn't something down the line towards the fuel tank and that was all good.

I then, manually filled the bowls to see if the plunger would do the pump shot and that all worked fine as well. I also made sure that the floats were NOT stuck up and I actually blew air into the fuel inlet to make sure that circuit wasn't clogged. Is this a sealing issue between the Air Horn and Body Assembly? Theoretically speaking, if I manually pump the plunger, shouldn't I feel a suction if I place my finger over the Fuel Inlet? Because I'm not feeling any suction.

The grooves on the Air Horn, that push into the gasket, are worn down pretty bad, could this be the issue? In the photo I attached, the area circled in red is where the groove is warn nearly all the way down.

Thanks for the help.

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Fuel pump fills the carb from the fuel tank. The plunger only pumps fuel to the nozzle’s inside the carb.
 
The carb does not create vacuum to the fuel line.
The fuel pump supplies pressurized fuel to the carb.
The fuel in the bowl, feeds fuel to the accelerator pump by gravity, from the float bowl to the accelerator pump chamber.
No sucky from fuel line .
 
I got fuel from the line when manually sucking it using a vacuum tho, isn't the plunger on the carb supposed to do this in addition to the pump shot? Or am I way off
The other guys have answered already but yes you’re off a little. The plunger only squirts fuel from the bowl into the throat of the carb. The pump is there to lift fuel from the tank and fill the carb bowl.
 
I'm sure i missed something, but you manually filled the bowl and got a pump shot. So if the bowl won't fill by cranking the engine and all the lines are clean, it has to be the pump, something with needle or the vent is clogged. You didn't mention why the carb was off in the first place. Was there another issue you were dealing with?
 
put a hose on the gas line at the carb to a container and crank the engine. As suggested before, no fuel means dead fuel pump.

Can you suck gas through a mechanical fuel pump that's good?
 
Hey All,

I'm sure there is something simple and obvious I'm missing but I am still stumped. Long story short, after putting the carburetor back on, I wasn't getting any fuel into the actual carburetor when pumping the gas. Not even into the fuel bowls. I disconnected the fuel line from the Fuel Inlet and manually sucked fuel from the tank to make sure it wasn't something down the line towards the fuel tank and that was all good.

I then, manually filled the bowls to see if the plunger would do the pump shot and that all worked fine as well. I also made sure that the floats were NOT stuck up and I actually blew air into the fuel inlet to make sure that circuit wasn't clogged. Is this a sealing issue between the Air Horn and Body Assembly? Theoretically speaking, if I manually pump the plunger, shouldn't I feel a suction if I place my finger over the Fuel Inlet? Because I'm not feeling any suction.

The grooves on the Air Horn, that push into the gasket, are worn down pretty bad, could this be the issue? In the photo I attached, the area circled in red is where the groove is warn nearly all the way down.

Thanks for the help.

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I have the exact same problem, or worse. Last year the 440 in my motorhome, which always started fine before with no issues, suddenly would not start without giving the carb a prime of gas. It would kill trying to get it out of the yard, but once on the highway ran perfectly with no issues until I stopped. A new fuel pump, as that would seem to be the problem, even though the other one was only a couple of years old made NO difference. The newest one is pumping fine, but no gas is getting into the carb, bone dry. And this is after I paid over $400 this spring to get the get the carb rebuilt. Ran better, but still needed a prime to start, even if I just shut it off and tried it again, immediately. Took it back to the shop and they cleaned it again but said they could find no issues why it was not getting gas into the carb. It is ridiculous, plenty of gas and pressure into the inlet, which I have also checked for problems and found none, but not one drop of gas seems to be in the float bowls, and all the pumping of the accelerator, even while cranking it over, provide no mist in the carb, no nothing, dry. I hate mysteries and am getting no answers on what the heck is going on here. The repair shop worked on it for free the 2nd time but said if I brought it in again I would be charged. Not happy with this Edlelbrock product at this point, and can't afford to buy a new one. I too am stumped.
 
There sure is a lot of misunderstanding about what a carb does and how it works in this thread.

I know, worthless post.
 
I have the exact same problem, or worse. Last year the 440 in my motorhome, which always started fine before with no issues, suddenly would not start without giving the carb a prime of gas. It would kill trying to get it out of the yard, but once on the highway ran perfectly with no issues until I stopped. A new fuel pump, as that would seem to be the problem, even though the other one was only a couple of years old made NO difference. The newest one is pumping fine, but no gas is getting into the carb, bone dry. And this is after I paid over $400 this spring to get the get the carb rebuilt. Ran better, but still needed a prime to start, even if I just shut it off and tried it again, immediately. Took it back to the shop and they cleaned it again but said they could find no issues why it was not getting gas into the carb. It is ridiculous, plenty of gas and pressure into the inlet, which I have also checked for problems and found none, but not one drop of gas seems to be in the float bowls, and all the pumping of the accelerator, even while cranking it over, provide no mist in the carb, no nothing, dry. I hate mysteries and am getting no answers on what the heck is going on here. The repair shop worked on it for free the 2nd time but said if I brought it in again I would be charged. Not happy with this Edlelbrock product at this point, and can't afford to buy a new one. I too am stumped.
IF I understand you correctly:
Are you saying that you have to pump one shot into the intake and then it starts; but that without the shot it will not start, cuz that's the sense I am getting. So in effect you are expecting it to just spring to life when you twist the Key? Even EFI cars automaticaly send a shot into the intake under most conditions, AS YOU ARE TWISTING THE KEY.
A little further down you say
"it would kill trying to get it out of the yard"
Which leads me to believe that some to all, of the fuel in the bowl has evaporated. This cannot be solved by any carb overhaul so if I got this right, then don't blame your carburetor rebuilder. Instead, fixing boil-off or percolation, is a different issue.
Modern gasolines are made up of a bunch of other fuels all mixed together. Some of those fuels evaporate at as low as 95*F, others at over 400*. Your engine will not start on the 400 degree stuff, you just do not have enough heat of compression. There are a bunch of other fuels in there with in-between boiling points. If you park your vehicl in a plave where the carb is gonna see over 95*, that light fuel will be gone in a matter of hours. If the carb sees 120* other fuels will evaporate and eventually all you have left in the bowl is syrup, and the engine will not start on that. Meanwhile, the same thing is happening in your fuel tank, and the gas in the line is boiling and the gasses are moving to the high point, which is usually elbowing it's way thru the pump, and up into the fuel bowl, and out the vent into the atmosphere.
This action forces some of the fuel back to the tank. And when this is done, later, your pump will struggle to pull up fuel from the tank, and is gonna push a lot of non-liquid gas up into the bowl which is way more interested in escaping out the bowl-vent than going into your engine.
So then, there you sit pumping and cranking and hoping you'll have enough battery to get some actual combustible liquid-fuel into the fuel-bowl.
There is no cure for this using modern fuel ...... except
1) install an electric pusher pump at the back, and hit it every time the vehicle has been sitting even overnight. Let it fill the bowl and hope for the best.
2) seal the fuel tank to prevent evaporation. But if you do this you may require a hi-pressure relief to not blow your tank up, and or protection against the air pressure in the tank from blowing gas into your engine. This used to be handled by the charcoal canister and still is, but nowadays the canister is closer to the tank, is under the vehicle, and is electrically controlled by the EFI computer.
If your vehicle does not have a charcoal canister, you can easily retro-fit one. but you still need a non-venting gascap. That should solve the over-pressurization issue. But you still have no cure for the carb boiling dry. The low-pressure pump at the back is only a bandaid, and it works.

But since you say that not long ago, you did not have this issue, maybe something else is causing your carb to run hot.
If I had to guess I'd say, one or more of these may be a contributing factor;
1) your exhaust cross-over system, is malfunctioning and cooking the carb from below. That is the first place I'd look.
2) The second thing, is if the carb is sitting in a hot hot doghouse.
3) The third is if the cooling system can't keep a high-enough efficiency, and the engine is running hot., or the trans cooler is.
5) if the carb is sucking in hot underhood air, that's like a runaway nuclear reactor, hot to hotter to hottest.
4) remember; Every time you shut the engine off, heat rises and boils your gas.
5) Chassis problems such as; dragging brakes and low pressure tires, or the kayaks tied up on the roof., not to mention if you are simultaneously dragging something behind.
6) But, since you say that she is fine out on the open road, honestly I don't suspect any of these. So Just saying, and something to think about.

That's all I got.
 
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There sure is a lot of misunderstanding about what a carb does and how it works in this thread.
Yes I agree, and for those that don't know,
carb's do not suck air and not gas either.
Everything works off the principle that atmospheric air is moved to an area of lower pressure, and that gas is pushed to the bowl by the pump, having received that fuel, with the help of atmospheric pressure in the tank; and from there, is pushed by atmospheric pressure, out into the low-pressure area in the throttle bore, which low-pressure is caused principally by pistons falling on the intake strokes.
I think I got that right ..........
 
I vote "bad fuel pump" and AJ is correct in the above post.
 
IF I understand you correctly:
Are you saying that you have to pump one shot into the intake and then it starts; but that without the shot it will not start, cuz that's the sense I am getting. So in effect you are expecting it to just spring to life when you twist the Key? Even EFI cars automaticaly send a shot into the intake under most conditions, AS YOU ARE TWISTING THE KEY.
A little further down you say
"it would kill trying to get it out of the yard"
Which leads me to believe that some to all, of the fuel in the bowl has evaporated. This cannot be solved by any carb overhaul so if I got this right, then don't blame your carburetor rebuilder. Instead, fixing boil-off or percolation, is a different issue.
Modern gasolines are made up of a bunch of other fuels all mixed together. Some of those fuels evaporate at as low as 95*F, others at over 400*. Your engine will not start on the 400 degree stuff, you just do not have enough heat of compression. There are a bunch of other fuels in there with in-between boiling points. If you park your vehicl in a plave where the carb is gonna see over 95*, that light fuel will be gone in a matter of hours. If the carb sees 120* other fuels will evaporate and eventually all you have left in the bowl is syrup, and the engine will not start on that. Meanwhile, the same thing is happening in your fuel tank, and the gas in the line is boiling and the gasses are moving to the high point, which is usually elbowing it's way thru the pump, and up into the fuel bowl, and out the vent into the atmosphere.
This action forces some of the fuel back to the tank. And when this is done, later, your pump will struggle to pull up fuel from the tank, and is gonna push a lot of non-liquid gas up into the bowl which is way more interested in escaping out the bowl-vent than going into your engine.
So then, there you sit pumping and cranking and hoping you'll have enough battery to get some actual combustible liquid-fuel into the fuel-bowl.
There is no cure for this using modern fuel ...... except
1) install an electric pusher pump at the back, and hit it every time the vehicle has been sitting even overnight. Let it fill the bowl and hope for the best.
2) seal the fuel tank to prevent evaporation. But if you do this you may require a hi-pressure relief to not blow your tank up, and or protection against the air pressure in the tank from blowing gas into your engine. This used to be handled by the charcoal canister and still is, but nowadays the canister is closer to the tank, is under the vehicle, and is electrically controlled by the EFI computer.
If your vehicle does not have a charcoal canister, you can easily retro-fit one. but you still need a non-venting gascap. That should solve the over-pressurization issue. But you still have no cure for the carb boiling dry. The low-pressure pump at the back is only a bandaid, and it works.

But since you say that not long ago, you did not have this issue, maybe something else is causing your carb to run hot.
If I had to guess I'd say, one or more of these may be a contributing factor;
1) your exhaust cross-over system, is malfunctioning and cooking the carb from below. That is the first place I'd look.
2) The second thing, is if the carb is sitting in a hot hot doghouse.
3) The third is if the cooling system can't keep a high-enough efficiency, and the engine is running hot., or the trans cooler is.
5) if the carb is sucking in hot underhood air, that's like a runaway nuclear reactor, hot to hotter to hottest.
4) remember; Every time you shut the engine off, heat rises and boils your gas.
5) Chassis problems such as; dragging brakes and low pressure tires, or the kayaks tied up on the roof., not to mention if you are simultaneously dragging something behind.
6) But, since you say that she is fine out on the open road, honestly I don't suspect any of these. So Just saying, and something to think about.

That's all I got.
Thanks for the reply. I crank it and the carb remains bone dry, a shot/prime of gas will get it started, it is the only way it starts but I should not have to manually prime it to start it at all. Also, after I get it started and warmed up, I can shut it off and try to start it a few seconds later. It will not fire and run unless I give it another shot of gas. The fuel pump is new, no lines leaking, and put in non-ethanol gas. It started this about a year ago, just would not start after sitting any amount of time. Got it rebuilt, made no difference. It is an Edelbrock 1411 I put on the MH in I believe 2006, always worked great towing my race car trailer. Till it didn't. Since my first post, I installed the old Theremquad that the Edelbrock replaced. Starts up and runs like a champ, no priming necessary, so the fuel system is fine and this must be some weird Edlebrock problem is the only thing I can think of. Saw a video on YouTube where a guy had exactly the same problem
 
some things to try:
after the engine has been running, shut it off and see if the accelerator pump squirts gas in the carb throat. I predict not, and that is why it has to be primed with gas.

Disconnect the line from the carb after the fuel pump and run a line to a gas can. Get somebody to crank the motor and see if the pump produces a strong consistent stream of gas (helps to use clear line to the gas can so you can see the fuel).

Are you using gas with ethanol without a treatment? If so the plugs in the carb can be deep inside passages in the carb...
 
some things to try:
after the engine has been running, shut it off and see if the accelerator pump squirts gas in the carb throat. I predict not, and that is why it has to be primed with gas.

Disconnect the line from the carb after the fuel pump and run a line to a gas can. Get somebody to crank the motor and see if the pump produces a strong consistent stream of gas (helps to use clear line to the gas can so you can see the fuel).

Are you using gas with ethanol without a treatment? If so the plugs in the carb can be deep inside passages in the carb...
Thanks for the reply. Nothing squirts anywhere, there is no gas in the carb throat, totally dry even though I am kicking on the gas pedal the entire time. Only starts with a squirt of gas from a bottle, and will need the same thing five seconds, five minutes, or five hours after shutting it off. It is a motorhome so the motor is easy to reach with the dog house off, have taken off the fuel line from the carb and cranked it myself, shooting gas into a bottle. It starts and runs normally with the old Thermoquad carb on it now. Just something weird in the Edelbrock that is producing 0 vaporized gas or even any drips at all, but runs fine with a prime to get it going... Going to see if my repair people and get ahold of someone at Edelbrock and pick their brain. It has to be something simple, right? At this point, I don't even care if I ever put the 1411 back on the motor, but then I would have spent $425 on a rebuild for nothing.
 
Is your accelerator pump even hooked up? send some pics of the top of the carb
 
Pulling the line going into the carb (as @str12-340 mentioned) and testing to ensure its pumping that far will prove it's getting to the carb.
 
[1] Remove fuel line at the carb & crank the engine. Make sure fuel comes out of the line. If ok...
[2]. Remove air horn. If using E fuel, is it causing the rubber tipped needles to jam? Check that out.
[3] Remove air horn. Invert air horn. Suck on fuel inlet. You should not be able to suck air. Turn air horn over so that floats hang down. Suck on fuel inlet & you should be able to suck air. If not, needle are jamming in their seats. Could be wrong needles or tight.
[4] Many original Carter AFB/AVS carbs came with n & s kits that contained a small spring; the spring hooked around the neck of the needle & the float tang; when the float dropped, it pulled the needle out of the seat so that fuel could flow.
 
[1] Remove fuel line at the carb & crank the engine. Make sure fuel comes out of the line. If ok...
[2]. Remove air horn. If using E fuel, is it causing the rubber tipped needles to jam? Check that out.
[3] Remove air horn. Invert air horn. Suck on fuel inlet. You should not be able to suck air. Turn air horn over so that floats hang down. Suck on fuel inlet & you should be able to suck air. If not, needle are jamming in their seats. Could be wrong needles or tight.
[4] Many original Carter AFB/AVS carbs came with n & s kits that contained a small spring; the spring hooked around the neck of the needle & the float tang; when the float dropped, it pulled the needle out of the seat so that fuel could flow.
There is plenty of flow, new fuel pump and fuel filters last fall. I have only just started using non-ethanol gas, maybe has one hour of running time on it. The carb has been professionally rebuilt, and then taken back and gone over again after the problems continued with no improvement at all. It has not run after the last teardown as I did not bother to prime it and run it as it is a waste of time at this point as it would not work like a normally functioning carb, so it is absolutely clean right now. I put the stock Thermoquad carb back on yesterday after the Edelbrock would not inject any fuel into the carb throat and start, as usual, although it runs like normal after getting started after a prime to get it running. With the Thermoquad the 440 starts as one would expect, and runs well. Something went awry in the Edelbrock all of a sudden, and having been disassembled twice the problem continues. Has to be one odd thing going on with it.
 
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