It's sad when it's all about the money

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crackedback said:
Is that worse than the buyer crying a sob story about his daddy had one when he was growing up , or it's a father son project. Then you see the same car/part for sale for 2x what you sold it for? I think I'll take them going overseas.

I'd like to see them live on, but, if the buyer wanted to take it to a crusher after purchase, so be it.
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x2 once the money changes hands it is what it is...
 
Its funny how some people think,What i need to qualify to purchase a car from north America???? I'm a car enthusiast and love my mopars and if anything its taken alot of money to get my Charlotte to where it is now and a bit more to where im satisfied on the overall finish.I still keep in touch with the previous owner with photos, emails, and he is over whelmed that the car is in good hands.I purchase 99% of my parts from the US so im one of many car people pumping money back into your economy and at the same time building some good friendships along the way,like 66340sedan stated with Ulf he sells parts to him and he has build a relationship with a guy who is half way across the world.Some people need to get out of that mentality of thinking!!!
 
There are risks involved in selling a car to someone over seas. My dad sold his 66 fastback mustang to a guy in austrilia and the interior got stripped on the boat on the way over. From what i have seen personally though the guys over seas often take better care of their cars than us americans. It is much more of a rarity for them so they treat it like it is a Ferrari. I would not hesitate to ship my car over seas so another country could enjoy it. Just make sure you know who is handling the transportation.
 
i'll sell to anyone that comes up with the cash.. money talks bs walks.

if guys here don't want to spend money why should i lose out and not sell over seas? that would be pretty stupid of me.
 
Kieth i couldnt of said it any better. Ulf's 65 dart is by far the most meticuloius restoration i have ever seen. i've never really seen anybody so anal about the right clips,bolts or correct markings before. i used to be on the fence about our mopars going overseas but come to relize thats probillay one of the best things for them. i kinda see it this way i've never seen a ferrari,lamboghinni, high end mercedes or bmw resting in a junkyard or sittin out back beside the barn. if someone overseas were to buy my dart i'd be okay with it knowing it would more than likely be better taken care of then it being under my supervision
 
Captain Canuck said:
I would sell my car to anyone who is willing to pony up the money for it!
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I agree. Car guys are car guys the world around. I think we have proven that here on FABO. If my car was for sale, I would rather sell it to someone far away so that I don't have to see it at shows or cruising.

If you are talking about people specifically building cars and selling them to overseas buyers, that sounds like a smart business man to me.
 
..like most i would sell my car today to anyone who wants it.
i don't usually get attached to things..there are thousands of these cars around.
 
res1vw21 said:
Ma mopar exported them back in the day.... If someone wants to buy it and it's for sale then away she goes.
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Mopars were shipped overseas back in the day when they were built. I think that if some one has the money and the passion to keep these cars from the crusher, thats a good thing
 
I guess it is better in the op`s eyes if a young kid in the states bought it and wrapped it around a tree losing it forever. As stated in places other than the states our old iron is a treat just look up 65dartcharger in the build threads. He is doing to a Dart which no American would do to an early A because of the fact an early A does not have a big dollar value.
 
I have always looked at this way.
It depends on who you are selling the car to and what are their plans for it, not where it is going.
I would never sell a rust free ''survivor'' type car to someone that is going to demo derby it or cut it up for a stock car.
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that some people in the U.S. will not sell cars or parts to someone that lives in Canada........(or overseas for that matter).
 
Dartnut said:
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that some people in the U.S. will not sell cars or parts to someone that lives in Canada........(or overseas for that matter).
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I bought a RED leather wrapped Tuff wheel out of a Cordoba at a swap meet for $20 and sold it to a guy in Sweden for $300. I'll ship anywhere after that. :cheers:

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I don't like dealers, investors and hoarders no matter what the location.

Ten years ago, one could go to the local Pull-A-Part and the A body fenders and doors were piled up at the end of the rows on the way to Mexico.
Capitalism?
I picked up a set of fenders, pulled gratis.
Yea, I know.
 
d55dave said:
Every scenario is different. I sold my 72 swinger with 440, fenderwell headers and 3.91's (a real raunchy streetcar) to a young man in Germany. He is learning all about hot rodding with it, he rebuilt the auto himself and he drives it hours on the autobahn (spelling?) to muscle car shows. To me, that is what the sport is all about and I support it!
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Ich bin ein Mercedes.
 
Like most people here say, first person that comes up with the cash gets the car or bike.

The bummer for me is that old school 70's and early 80's muscle bikes are being bought up en masse, stuffed into shipping containers and shipped to Europe. Finding older KZ 900/1000's has become virtualy impossible, even in basket case condition. The only ones left are the ones some yahoo sawzalled and arc welded the frame and turned a "bobber" that no one wants and they're asking 5K for 'em. They are not Harley's for pete's sake, leave 'em alone.

That being said, at least I know these bikes are highly respected overseas and will be restored to original condition or modified in a way that accentuates their performance potential rather than detracts from it and they'll be enjoyed for a long, long time.
 
I think the point the op is trying to make is the fact some people buy up old iron with the single intent of jacking up the price for foreign buyers. Call them middle men, brokers, used car salesmen, etc. They only "own" the cars with the intent to flip them and make money. A fella from Sweden, England, wherever, should be able to buy a car for the same price as you or I, albeit with the extra expense of taxes, duties, shipping expenses that come from an overseas transaction. There will always be flippers, and ya I guess they have their place. Not much can be done about that.
 
I'm a flipper, I've made a living fixing and selling
stuff/junk other people couldn't or didn't want to fix or fart with.
Its called sweat equity.
I finace my hobbies this way, I don't take money from my
family or life needs to pay for my vices.
I expect to pay a fair price for something I need,
and charge a fair price when I sell, but I always
research everything before I buy.
I've no bones about buying from or selling to anyone
with the money.
Profit is what makes the world a good place to live.
I respect anyone that has worked hard to buy what they want,
no matter who they are or where.

So bottom line, if your sentimental or have your feelings hurt
easily, don't need the money or don't want to sell,
So be it, me and 10 million like me will pick your bones
when your dead..........and someone else will enjoy your
stuff in the future.:angel12:

Having said this doesn't make me a bad person, just a realist
knowing that my stuff will be sold one day and someone else
will enjoy the fruits of my labors as I, and others have during my life.
I hope they can profit and do more and better things than I have with
them after I'm gone.
 
I will give something away to someone who will enjoy it before I will sell to a flipper,...I don't care where they live,....Especially If it keeps the price down for more folks to enjoy a particular hobby,...Cause those of us who truly enjoy our MoPars ain't in it for the money,...
 
On the topic of flipping, what is wrong with it?
If everyone is so ''anti flip'' then they wouldn't buy groceries at the store.
They wouldn't buy gasoline.
Heck, the computer you are on has been flipped somewhere down the line.
I'll pay a reasonable price for anything i want or need in life, with the understanding that some one has made a profit off of my back at some time.
That's why i don't make my own peanut butter.
 
Makes me wonder how does one purchase a car without playing the game of "flipping?"

Buy a car through the classifieds here and you've bought from a "flipper." (One buys a car for whatever reason and then winds up selling it, that, by definition, is "flipping.")

Buy a new car from a dealership and you've bought a car from a "flipper."
 
There are differences between buying a product from a retail store, and people who "flip" cars, houses, or anything else.

Retail outlets are there because of the system of distribution in small quantities. You can skip the retail store if you are willing to purchase in bulk. Also, when buying retail, you have an expectation of quality. If the product is spoiled, damaged, or otherwise unacceptable through no fault of your own, it can be returned for refund or exchange.

Flippers buy low and sell high. That is their business. In the housing market, it might be necessary for them to invest in some upgrades to realize a profit, but usually, there is some compromise made in the quality of the product or workmanship, to maximize profits. If you find and issue after the purchase you are most likely going to have to live with it, repair or change it yourself, or get a lawyer. You simply can return it for refund or replacement as you could when purchasing Groceries, appliances,and other goods.

The same holds true when purchasing cars from a flipper. In many cases the workmanship is not of the best quality, parts are used or substandard (read cheap), and warranties are none existent.
Remember, the goal if the flipper is to make as much money as possible, while spending as little as possible.

I went to look at a 72 Swinger with a friend. Upon approaching the car it looked Wonderful. New roof, and paint decent upholstery, 318/2bbl. Advertised as having a 727 and a 8 3/4 Sure grip.

It was a 904 with a 7 1/4. A pass along the quarters with a magnet found places where the magnet would not even stick to the body. The new vinyl roof also caught my attention, when we pulled the car out into the sun light. I saw bubbles on the "C" pillars, and while running my thumb along the roof above the windshield trim I felt a number of sort spots. Obviously this car was painted and had a new vinyl roof applied over some body rot that was neither repaired nor neutralized.

Further inspections found such things as the glove compartment box being made of and old Cheerios box and painted, poorly fit headliner, different keys for the two front doors, and on and on. The seller was Asking $7500 for it. When I asked to see the paperwork for the car, I found that he never registered the car, AND it had a "salvage title". My buddy said he wouldn't have noticed any of those things, and thought the car look really good. He was right, it did look really good, until you look a little more closely. It was not as advertised, and that's VERY typical of "flipper" cars.
In this case it was a real rip off, to boot.

I asked if I could take an oil sample from the car. The seller declined.

I asked if he could show me the paperwork for the paint and body work. The Seller declined.

I asked if he minded if I copy the vin number and fender tags so that I could do some research on the car, He declined that, too, and asked us to leave.

Obviously this guy was not looking to sell the car to a MoPar enthusiast, but, when you advertise a 40 year old car for sale you have to expect that the people who respond to such an advertisement are knowledgeable. Also obviously, he did not expect that. Had my buddy gone there without me, or anyone who knows these cars, he might have spent $7500 for a POS.

Before we left I offered the seller $1500 for the car as is/where is. He declined. I'm sure some poor sap dropped over $7K for that car and purchased pure crap, and had no recourse after the sale.

That's the difference between buying from a flipper and buying "groceries".
 
Very well put Frankie,...I've been known to give stuff away here, even cover the shipping, to help out someone in need,or an afficianado who loves his ride,......Don't think a flipper or a dealership or a grocery store is gonna do that for ya,...
 
On the topic of flipping, what is wrong with it?
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nothing in my opinion... i know guys that make their living and raising their family by flipping mopar and other parts/cars.. seems the guys that cry the most are the ones that don't want the do the job of finding the deal. they want it to come to them. just doesn't work like that in most cases..

i always tell the guys that cry about flippers that if it bothers them so much then get up a couple hours earlier, search the net and papers for those deals. cough up the cash, get the car home and do what ya want with the car.. its not like they juts fall into these deals.. most they have to work for. its not just a 5 minute a day deal.. to get those deals and to even find them you have to work your *** off. you have to network yourself, you have to search for sale ads in the local papers and internet multiple times a day, you have to get there first and most important you need to be there first with cash....
 
abodyjoe said:
nothing in my opinion... i know guys that make their living and raising their family by flipping mopar and other parts/cars.. seems the guys that cry the most are the ones that don't want the do the job of finding the deal. they want it to come to them. just doesn't work like that in most cases..
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that's fine if the people are reputable. That is not often the case. As with any point of sale, there are honest people making an honest living, and then there are rip off artists screwing you over.

i always tell the guys that cry about flippers that if it bothers them so much then get up a couple hours earlier, search the net and papers for those deals. cough up the cash, get the car home and do what ya want with the car.. its not like they juts fall into these deals.. most they have to work for. its not just a 5 minute a day deal.. to get those deals and to even find them you have to work your *** off. you have to network yourself, you have to search for sale ads in the local papers and internet multiple times a day, you have to get there first and most important you need to be there first with cash....
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Research is the secret to a good deal on anything, Whether you're buying a car from a previous owner, from a dealer, or a flipper, research matters.

...and when it comes to misinformation, it doesn't matter if the misinformation you are given by the seller is accidental, or purposely lied about. The results are the same. You're being told something that is not true, and it's up to you to sort things out. Usually, if the seller is trying to deal in good faith, he will answer any and all questions to the best of his ability. If he's there to pick your pocket, he's going to feed you a bunch of BS, and he's going to fall back on the "as far as I know", line.

Do the research. It'll help you make a better deal, get a better vehicle, and assist you in steering clear of bad cars and bad people.

The old adage, "Buyer Beware", applies double when buying used cars. The don't refer to con-men as "Used car dealers" for nothing.
 
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