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Mark Wainwright
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I remember that and her sentenced should have been to be injected with it and rot in hell
Mark Wainwright
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Morning guys.
Well I'm still alive and breathing. ABout 75% back to normal.
Still quite weak and will lose my balance once in a while.
Weekend is supposed to be freezing rain.
Nice to be back on here again.
I'll take two of these and call you in the morning
Well I'm still alive and breathing. ABout 75% back to normal.
Still quite weak and will lose my balance once in a while.
Weekend is supposed to be freezing rain.
Nice to be back on here again.
I'll take two of these and call you in the morning
MADFORMOPAR
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it does grow on my trees...ask my kids, they'll tell ya
Good morning guys, it's a no work day for me.
MADFORMOPAR
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nuthin on the go fred?
Not really John, I do need to make another chin spoiler but no rush.
MADFORMOPAR
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take it while ya can my friend
MADFORMOPAR
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my swinger needs a good winding out this spring. need to swap out the ALT before i do. Not charging the battery. Left me stranded at a few shows this year. Thinking about getting it rebuilt or buy a new one..Yep I will buddy.
Can't wait to take the Scamp out for a drive and soon I hope.
Mine went out 2 years ago on the Scamp and waited for the Alt. guy to rebuild it and after 2 week I bought a new one and I'm still waiting for the the guy to rebuild my old one.
MADFORMOPAR
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lol..get a new guy
Ahoey
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Morning guys, bright and sunny here this morning however the weather liar is predicting up to 8” of that four letter S word. Made the mistake of putting the snowblower away. Probably why we’re getting a snow storm. Lucky here we have an old guy who specializes in starter/alternator/generator repair, usually same day service. He’s one of those guys you slide an extra 20 in his price and walk out before he can count it. Make it a good one guys an hopefully the snow stays south of WPG sorry Fred.
Weather liar here says high of 63* today with a chance of rain, and 34* tomorrow with a chance of snow, 28* Saturday. Good day to stay indoors and do my income taxes. 
Weather man says freezing rain and a bit of snow here but I'll gas up the snow blower anyway.
I'm not going anyplace for a couple days.Weather liar here says high of 63* today with a chance of rain, and 34* tomorrow with a chance of snow, 28* Saturday. Good day to stay indoors and do my income taxes.
I got enough whiskey and smokes to last me through the weekend.
How far "south", exactly?
We could sure use the moisture, but I'm done with winter. Pulled the snow stakes, drained both snowblowers, opened-up all three water spigots on the house, and I've serviced and pressure washed both JD's and the three decks/attachments so they're ready to go.
Nope. Don't want any more snow here!
Sh*t! I just checked the forecast for the weekend: Freezing rain and/or 1-3" of snow on Saturday night/Sunday morning.Weather man says freezing rain and a bit of snow here but I'll gas up the snow blower anyway.
Looks like I may have just jinxed myself (post directly above).
Mark Wainwright
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We're supposed to get rain all weekend starting tonight. Some areas will have freezing rain.
Not even going outside.
Not even going outside.
Mark Wainwright
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So, we were talking about Susan Nellis and how she was accused of murdering babies.
So I looked up the story and was a complete mistake. Turns out the rubber hoses they used and the seals on vials caused the problem. Here's the story.
The Toronto hospital baby deaths were a series of suspicious deaths that occurred in the Cardiac Ward of the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto, Ontario, Canada between July 1980 and March 1981. The deaths started after a cardiology ward had been divided into two new adjacent wards. The deaths ended after the police had been called in, and the digitalis-type medication (digoxin) that had possibly been used for the alleged killings had begun to be kept under lock and key. Three nurses were at the centre of the investigation and an apparent attempt to poison nurses' food. One of the nurses, Susan Nelles, was charged with four murders, but the prosecution was dismissed a year later on the grounds that she could not have been responsible for a death excluded from the indictment, which the judge deemed a murder.
A conspiracy between multiple nurses was regarded by the judge as not credible. The lead detective resigned. An official government inquiry discounted claims by the hospital's own former chief of pediatrics that the deaths were not homicides and were not proven to be from digoxin. A second suspect was not prosecuted. It has been later argued that a chemical compound, which can leach out of rubber tubing that was used in medical apparatus for feeding and delivery of medication and can be mistakenly identified by medical tests as digoxin, had been the cause of some of the deaths.
The deaths are still believed to be homicides by some, such as the epidemiologist Alexandra M. Levitt, who devoted one chapter of a 2015 book to the case.
The Cardiac Ward of the Hospital for Sick Children began what was subsequently found to be a several-fold increase in mortality on June 30, 1980.[1] Within two months, 20 patient deaths led to a group of nurses approaching the unit's cardiologists, but they kept investigation limited and in house to prevent a "morale problem."[2] The excess deaths continued, but it was not until March 1981 that a bereaved father's extreme distress led to the coroner being brought in and detecting suspiciously high levels of a heart regulating medication digoxin, a powerful form of digitalis, in a dead baby.[2]
Metro Toronto coroner Dr. Paul Tepperman said that he was first called to the hospital on March 12, 1981, because Kevin Garnett, the father of Kevin Pacsai, "was unusually upset" over the death of his three-week-old son that day. It was only on March 20, 1981, eight days later, that he was told about an autopsy in January on Janice Estrella, who had a digoxin level in her bloodstream that was the highest that he had ever heard of.
Eight days later, he was told that an autopsy by the hospital had found 13 times the normal concentration of the same heart drug in another dead baby.[1] The medication had not been subject to any security measures.[3][4] Police were called in and began to search staff lockers when another baby died from digoxin poisoning on 22 March 1981. Examination of work logs and other nurses' subjective impression that a colleague had inappropriate reactions to the deaths led to the arrest and the charging with murder of a nurse, who was released on bail.[2]
In January 1982, babies became ill in a separate department. It was later found that epinephrine, which was not supposed to be on that ward, had somehow been substituted for vitamin E. There had been non-fatal unauthorized digoxin administration to other babies, and another death was, contrary to what the hospital had said at the time, caused by unauthorized administration of digoxin.[5] In September 1981, the team leader nurse Phyllis Trayner (died 2011)[4] found propranolol tablets in food that she was eating, and another nurse found the tablets in her soup.[4][6]
Susan Nelles was arrested and charged with murder, but a judge acquitted her at the preliminary hearing stage and the case never went to trial, partly because she had not been on duty during one death which the judge decided to be an additional murder, and for more than one nurse to have been involved in a series of motiveless murders strained credulity.[4][5] The exonerated nurse did not believe that there had been any murders, and in a 2011 interview, she reiterated that the 1985 inquiry report had been incorrect in stating that many deaths during a rise in mortality on the ward (from one a week to five) had been deliberate homicides.[4][2] Data from the investigation was sent to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which discovered that another nurse, Phyllis Trayner, was the only person who had been on duty for all 29 cases of death being examined.[4] A commission of inquiry listed eight of the baby deaths as murder, with another 13 as highly suspicious. Even after the commission had started its work, another death apparently by digoxin poisoning occurred. The commission decided not to take that into account.[2]
So I looked up the story and was a complete mistake. Turns out the rubber hoses they used and the seals on vials caused the problem. Here's the story.
The Toronto hospital baby deaths were a series of suspicious deaths that occurred in the Cardiac Ward of the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto, Ontario, Canada between July 1980 and March 1981. The deaths started after a cardiology ward had been divided into two new adjacent wards. The deaths ended after the police had been called in, and the digitalis-type medication (digoxin) that had possibly been used for the alleged killings had begun to be kept under lock and key. Three nurses were at the centre of the investigation and an apparent attempt to poison nurses' food. One of the nurses, Susan Nelles, was charged with four murders, but the prosecution was dismissed a year later on the grounds that she could not have been responsible for a death excluded from the indictment, which the judge deemed a murder.
A conspiracy between multiple nurses was regarded by the judge as not credible. The lead detective resigned. An official government inquiry discounted claims by the hospital's own former chief of pediatrics that the deaths were not homicides and were not proven to be from digoxin. A second suspect was not prosecuted. It has been later argued that a chemical compound, which can leach out of rubber tubing that was used in medical apparatus for feeding and delivery of medication and can be mistakenly identified by medical tests as digoxin, had been the cause of some of the deaths.
The deaths are still believed to be homicides by some, such as the epidemiologist Alexandra M. Levitt, who devoted one chapter of a 2015 book to the case.
Deaths
[edit]The Cardiac Ward of the Hospital for Sick Children began what was subsequently found to be a several-fold increase in mortality on June 30, 1980.[1] Within two months, 20 patient deaths led to a group of nurses approaching the unit's cardiologists, but they kept investigation limited and in house to prevent a "morale problem."[2] The excess deaths continued, but it was not until March 1981 that a bereaved father's extreme distress led to the coroner being brought in and detecting suspiciously high levels of a heart regulating medication digoxin, a powerful form of digitalis, in a dead baby.[2]
Metro Toronto coroner Dr. Paul Tepperman said that he was first called to the hospital on March 12, 1981, because Kevin Garnett, the father of Kevin Pacsai, "was unusually upset" over the death of his three-week-old son that day. It was only on March 20, 1981, eight days later, that he was told about an autopsy in January on Janice Estrella, who had a digoxin level in her bloodstream that was the highest that he had ever heard of.
Eight days later, he was told that an autopsy by the hospital had found 13 times the normal concentration of the same heart drug in another dead baby.[1] The medication had not been subject to any security measures.[3][4] Police were called in and began to search staff lockers when another baby died from digoxin poisoning on 22 March 1981. Examination of work logs and other nurses' subjective impression that a colleague had inappropriate reactions to the deaths led to the arrest and the charging with murder of a nurse, who was released on bail.[2]
In January 1982, babies became ill in a separate department. It was later found that epinephrine, which was not supposed to be on that ward, had somehow been substituted for vitamin E. There had been non-fatal unauthorized digoxin administration to other babies, and another death was, contrary to what the hospital had said at the time, caused by unauthorized administration of digoxin.[5] In September 1981, the team leader nurse Phyllis Trayner (died 2011)[4] found propranolol tablets in food that she was eating, and another nurse found the tablets in her soup.[4][6]
Police investigation and inquiry
[edit]Susan Nelles was arrested and charged with murder, but a judge acquitted her at the preliminary hearing stage and the case never went to trial, partly because she had not been on duty during one death which the judge decided to be an additional murder, and for more than one nurse to have been involved in a series of motiveless murders strained credulity.[4][5] The exonerated nurse did not believe that there had been any murders, and in a 2011 interview, she reiterated that the 1985 inquiry report had been incorrect in stating that many deaths during a rise in mortality on the ward (from one a week to five) had been deliberate homicides.[4][2] Data from the investigation was sent to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which discovered that another nurse, Phyllis Trayner, was the only person who had been on duty for all 29 cases of death being examined.[4] A commission of inquiry listed eight of the baby deaths as murder, with another 13 as highly suspicious. Even after the commission had started its work, another death apparently by digoxin poisoning occurred. The commission decided not to take that into account.[2]
Ahoey
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Well gents, once again true to it’s name Winterpeg Manisnowba comes through. Started snowing yesterday afternoon, hasn’t quite, still snowing this AM. By looking at my deck gotta good 4/5”. Not supposed to stop until late today. Shortest summer I’ve ever had 1 day sunny, high of +12C, then back to winter. Snow day here lol make it a good one guysI thought you might get some of it. Sorry Jim.
MADFORMOPAR
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wow....EVERYONE in the hospital was pinning it on her. Can you imagine being Susan Nellis at the time? i wonder if she pressed charges? what a mess
Yup. Snowing and shitty up in I-Falls right now, and we're supposed to get our mix of rain, sleet, ice, and snow starting tomorrow afternoon. I was planning on getting some work done out in the shed/shop tomorrow, but since it's unheated, I may just hold-off until next week sometime.
Edit: ****! I just remembered I can't wait until next week, as I'm going to have surgery on my hand on Monday (trigger finger in my left hand). Kinda puts me out of commission for a week or so. Damn!
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