Moog camber kit junk?

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Hi folks.

This is a pretty straight forward question with related back ground.

I recently decided to do the front disc brake upgrade on my 67 Cuda.
I received the brake kit with the purchase of the car. Unknown supplier, but the calipers have Penstar castings on them. Most likely aftermarket upper A-arms and ball joints. Just about everything went pretty smoothly with the exception of having to torch out the original cam bolts.
I sourced the Moog camber kits locally from Orielly auto parts. Seemed like solid parts but what do I know.
While trying to do a basic alignment to enable the car to be driven to my alignment shop, the camber bolts essentially rolled right through the washer keyways and obviously are unable to be used to adjust the camber now.
Any suggestions for a supplier or brand name quality part? After doing more research, I understand that Moog quality is no longer up to par.
I only want to do this one more time. The auto parts store accused me more or less of applying too much force on them. Pretty difficult to do with a 3/4 inch hand wrench, which is all you can get in there with.
I appreciate any info available from anyone else this has happened to.
 
OEM is probably best. Good, used should do well. I think Jim @hemi71x has had them for sale on FABO before. Maybe he can chime in if he has any available.
If not, consider putting up a "Wanted" ad, and you should turn up some.
 
Pix would help a whole bunch, as parts mentioned are pretty standard throughout Mopar.
You may have "torched" too much.
 
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Airmonger said:
Hi folks.

This is a pretty straight forward question with related back ground.

I recently decided to do the front disc brake upgrade on my 67 Cuda.
I received the brake kit with the purchase of the car. Unknown supplier, but the calipers have Penstar castings on them. Most likely aftermarket upper A-arms and ball joints. Just about everything went pretty smoothly with the exception of having to torch out the original cam bolts.
I sourced the Moog camber kits locally from Orielly auto parts. Seemed like solid parts but what do I know.
While trying to do a basic alignment to enable the car to be driven to my alignment shop, the camber bolts essentially rolled right through the washer keyways and obviously are unable to be used to adjust the camber now.
Any suggestions for a supplier or brand name quality part? After doing more research, I understand that Moog quality is no longer up to par.
I only want to do this one more time. The auto parts store accused me more or less of applying too much force on them. Pretty difficult to do with a 3/4 inch hand wrench, which is all you can get in there with.
I appreciate any info available from anyone else this has happened to.
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Start a Parts Wanted thread if you need originals.
 
Moog is the only source for offset UCA bushings, which I assume is what you have since you’re talking about a “camber kit”, which is pretty much always used to correct caster on these cars and not camber.

Pictures would be a huge help, because we don’t know how you installed all of the parts or if you have damaged your mounts in the process.
 
Some brands put the flat all the way down the shaft of the bolt, others just put the flat on the threads...

I would go with the ones that put the flat on the threads only so the shaft of the bolt is stronger...
 
Inertia said:
Pix would help a whole bunch, as parts mentioned are pretty standard throughout Mopar.
You may have "torched" too much.
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No, no damage from cutting the old ones out. Retired steel worker here. I've got a handle on a cutting rig.
But I will say this. The Moog bolts are too short. After removing them today, I see that the eccentric washer never made it to the actual shoulder of the bolt itself. It spun on the threaded area of the bolt just short of the actual shank. It's only money right?
 
The cam bolt must be loose to adjust, then tighten the bolt after the eccentrics are rotated to where you want them to be. The bolt is for clamping once positioned.
 
MV8 said:
The cam bolt must be loose to adjust, then tighten the bolt after the eccentrics are rotated to where you want them to be. The bolt is for clamping once positioned.
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When I removed the bolts, positioned the washer plates to where they should be seated on the shoulder of the bolt, they are 5/16 of an inch too narrow. Simply put, they are too short to work properly. In tightening them to be snug, it actually bent the eccentric when they pulled in. Simply incorrect application.
 
Airmonger said:
When I removed the bolts, positioned the washer plates to where they should be seated on the shoulder of the bolt, they are 5/16 of an inch too narrow. Simply put, they are too short to work properly. In tightening them to be snug, it actually bent the eccentric when they pulled in. Simply incorrect application.
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It would be really helpful for you to post pictures of the bolts so we could see what you're describing. A measurement from the eccentric under the head of the bolt out to the shoulder/flat area would also be helpful, as I'm sure there are plenty of us with OE bolts laying around that could be measured and compared.

I'm not saying the Moog bolts aren't junk, but that's not the only possible explanation. It's not uncommon at all for the suspension mounting points themselves to be bent, that actually happens quite a lot. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if every eccentric washer wasn't bottomed against the shoulder on the bolt when fully torqued, because that leaves you no tolerance from one car to another. If that eccentric bottoms out before the UCA mount has enough clamp force on it then the camber bolt will continue to move. It's happened before, and having the eccentric washer bottom out too soon is a much larger problem than not having it bottomed out.
 
Also, it is possible the kit you have is the wrong box/part number or right box with the wrong/swapped contents. It happens a lot.
Some folks buy the wrong thing, later when it is time to wrench realize it is the wrong thing (too late to return), order the right thing, then return with the wrong thing for a refund.

Pictures are important. No judgement on grease, or rust, or not knowing how to post pictures if that is the case.
 
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