Patina Paint Job

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mycuda said:
I'm sorry you're trying to restore a car in any capability to bring it back to life why would you mess around and not do it right.

There are still ways you can do things to make it look good and refinished but this
Patina thing gotta go

Unless you truly enjoy a look of that sort.
All good.

Good luck trying to sell.

Not for me

Patina is a glamorous word brought out in these 2 bit restorations shows.
I wouldn't want anything that looks close to that garbage in my garage.
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That’s all your opinion and it’s just that, YOUR opinion. I’m not saying it’s wrong but just because that’s your preference, also doesn’t make it right.

When I bought my Duster, I had a decision to make. 1. Tear into the car and strip it all down and start on a full blown redo or 2. Get the mechanical side of it done (car hadn’t ran in 20+ years) and ENJOY the car and fix things as I can and then someday, when I have a second one running, tear the Duster apart for a full redo.

Well obviously I decided to go the second route. Why? I’ve had the car for 5 years now. In those 5 years I have been able to maybe put another $2-3k in the car total. Now, had I torn into the car, it’d still be sitting in thousands of pieces, I’d probably be burned out by lack of time and money to make any progress on the car AND in those 5 years, we have moved, and while we still own the first place, we are now 25 minutes away and I rarely get down there. So tell me, which route is truly better?

Also, when I was debating on what to do back when I got my car, a good friend and a member here gave me some excellent advice. He told me “the ratty muscle cars are the hot fad right now. If I were you, I’d get the car running and driving and ride that fad till it goes out, THEN worry about body and paint.” And he wasn’t wrong. He’s also the one who convinced me to make the 10 hour drive to North Carolina to go buy my Duster. He’s one smart dude! Right @cosgig? :D :thankyou:
 
And as I mentioned in my previous post, the ratty muscle cars is a fad. It will go out with time, same as the wild and crazy “street freaks” fad and the “spinner wheels” fad, but it just happens to be the in thing at the right time because I can’t afford body and paint anyway!
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you must realize this is a HOBBY for most of us. EVERYTHING is a fad. in the 1980s I remember model Ts being wall to wall in car shows.....now, you have to be in your 90s to have one on the road! just a trend....like everything else.

I can appreciate how much work goes into restoring a car to show condition. They are MUCH MUCH MUCH better than they every were when they left the factory. You want that? go ahead. Your car, your money, your hobby.

However.....its not for me...... just like armpits, we all have opinions and they all stink.......
 
I kinda like it.........where it "belongs". Patina is rat rod stuff. The generally accepted latest model year for a rat rod is 1964. You'll see that on all the hot rod and rat rod sites. Sure, it's not set in stone, but that's generally how it's accepted. You can make whatever you want ratty. To me though, the older the year model the better it looks. I have a friend who does custom restorations just right down the road.He is a master with an air brush and can paint the most realistic rust you ever saw. It makes you reach over the touch it expecting to feel rough as a cobb rust, but it's smooth as silk. He has a real gift for it. Everything has it's place.
 
Looks like fun. That’s the thing about cars & hot rods if it was all the same it would be boring.
 
swing69 said:
A car was saved that was going to the scrap yard.
It was mechanically restored and upgraded for performance and safety.
It was worked on as a learning tool for US auto students, 100% funded by the teacher - me. The money in it, exceeds it's value WITHOUT doing body and paint. I'm underwater, but that's ok....its about teaching the kids. My concern and curriculum is MECHANICALS, not auto body (obvoiously)
The HS program does NOT do body and paint....so it would be a complete losing proposition to send it to a body shop.

To get it to a point you would Approve, would be in excess of 20 grand. Yes, I'd have an easier time selling it for 10k, taking a 10k hit.

By not painting, the kids hammerec, welded, bondo-d, spray bombed it .

For those reasons, it way way cooler than a shiny show car that looks exactly like the line of 150 other shiny show cars
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For student study understood.
All for it.
Just can't for the life of me find out why somebody would do a rotisserie restoration and try to make it look like it was a rat rod
Or something. To each his own.......
What a waste of time and money IMHO.

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Was discussing a dart i saw painted hot rod black with a friend and told him it looked good and i really liked it.
Said he saw a new Porche pull off the highway painted drab military green and thought it was a great looking car!
Would make for a carefree build and save $10 - 15k in paint too!
 
As long as I dont see a future category
At a a car show for best "patina"

I'm good
 
My 6 year old son and i are slowly reversing the beat to **** look. This thing had 2 paint jobs, then was brutalized all over in spots with a a DA sander down to bare metal before being left to the elements. Letting mother nature work her magic is a bit different that what happened to this car. Stripping the rust off chemically with naval jelly covered with plastic, and neutralizing prior to priming is taking awhile. 5 weeks of tinkering with it off and on nights and weekends. First coat is a PPG epoxy light grey 2K primer.

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I don't care what you call it. Right now I'm kind of digging the original paint thing. Agree with the opinion that it's only original once and when it's painted, it's painted. I'll probably get around to it one day when I get tired of looking at it.
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skidmark said:
Looks like fun. That’s the thing about cars & hot rods if it was all the same it would be boring.
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LOVE his Cuda. One of these days I’m gonna drive my Duster down to Alabama for one of his No Shine **** List events.

Oh, and in light of what he said about not caring what happens to the car and not being pissed if it gets a door ding, I agree 100%. In fact, 2 weeks ago, I had my drivers rear wheel come off while I was driving. Mashed up my quarter panel pretty good. Does it suck? Sure does. Am I pissed? Nope, it’s ratty. If I’d had nice shiny paint on there I wouldn’t have been able to sleep that night.

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75slant6 said:
Did someone say “patina”? :D
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Don’t worry? I have full intentions of eventually stripping the whole thing down for body work and paint but when I bought the car 5 years ago, I decided I can either tear it apart and have a car in pieces for 10-15 years (sounds bloody awful to me) or I can get the mechanicals in order and drive the snot out of it and enjoy it how it was intended to be enjoyed.
Once I get my 75 Scamp done (haven’t even started on it yet) where I can drive and enjoy it, I’ll strip the Duster down and do a rotisserie restomod.
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I love it! Just like I love pretty painted ones. Man, to each his own. I don't get the hate.
 
moparmandan said:
I love it! Just like I love pretty painted ones. Man, to each his own. I don't get the hate.
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Yea I don’t get it either. My “dream” image of my Duster looks nothing like it does now but I think it’s dead sexy the way it is now too! :D I just love pretty well love all American muscle, fancy or ratty.
 
Syleng1 said:
At the risk of sounding ignorant...
What is "fake" patina?
And "yes" I agree, some patina looks good sometimes
Clear patina looks great- never. Totally take away from the look and peels shortly afterwards.
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Easy explanation. Spray the car with reddish brown primer, then spray on a few coats of black. Then wet sand through the black until you can see the red primer in spots. That way it will look like the sun ate through the paint and exposed the primer. Done properly, it can look kind of cool.
 
75slant6 said:
LOVE his Cuda. One of these days I’m gonna drive my Duster down to Alabama for one of his No Shine **** List events.

Oh, and in light of what he said about not caring what happens to the car and not being pissed if it gets a door ding, I agree 100%. In fact, 2 weeks ago, I had my drivers rear wheel come off while I was driving. Mashed up my quarter panel pretty good. Does it suck? Sure does. Am I pissed? Nope, it’s ratty. If I’d had nice shiny paint on there I wouldn’t have been able to sleep that night.

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Yes it will be his car when he is driving age. I told him if he helps rebuild it, it his. I figure at his age we got 11 years to go. If its done minus exterior paint by the time he's 17. We may run it in grey primer with the jambs trunk and under the hood refinished.
 
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moparmat2000 said:
Yes it will be his car when he is driving age. I tlod hom if he helps rebuild it, it his. I figure at his age we got 11 years to go. If its done minus exterior paint by the time he's 17. We may run it in grey primer with the jambs trunk and under the hood refinished.
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I meant the AAR clone in the video but I do like your sons as well! :D he’s a lucky kid for sure!
 
I wish mine was worn off instead of just chalked out lacquer over original poly. I like the patina look.

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My first ( and sorta only) was my first ride at age 16, a hand me down 49 chevy It was originally blue, but in 1964 when I got it, it had sat under a SW Ga pecan tree for all those years. It had turned a few shades of black. So a can or two of Ajax and a stiff rag, I could then see the see again, but way faded almost down to primer, OK so down to some prime. Patina! Ha. I can till see it now! Pretty? NO, but it got me there! I gave a c***
My method on my old car is to get ride of the rust, so your know the drill, cut, weld, grind, epoxy, filler epoxy, sanding primer, seal temporary with spray can of enamel. Solid! NO rusts. Pretty no but I can drive it as I work on it. So there is original 40 year old paint, faded, or down to primer in places, BUT I want it running/driving, NOT taken apart into a million pieces> So I wait till I can finish the body work, NOT take the sucker totally apart as the nut and bolt guys do, and I will then DA it to bare metal or OEM primer that will not come off ( hardly) and shoot it with a good epoxy primer, smooth out the dings, epoxy over filler, high fill sanding primer, block, seal with epoxy primer ( reduced), top coat of single stage! Done, (that did not take long!! lol) .
My patina is not invented, it just occurs till I can make it shiny again!
 
75slant6 said:
That’s all your opinion and it’s just that, YOUR opinion. I’m not saying it’s wrong but just because that’s your preference, also doesn’t make it right.

When I bought my Duster, I had a decision to make. 1. Tear into the car and strip it all down and start on a full blown redo or 2. Get the mechanical side of it done (car hadn’t ran in 20+ years) and ENJOY the car and fix things as I can and then someday, when I have a second one running, tear the Duster apart for a full redo.

Well obviously I decided to go the second route. Why? I’ve had the car for 5 years now. In those 5 years I have been able to maybe put another $2-3k in the car total. Now, had I torn into the car, it’d still be sitting in thousands of pieces, I’d probably be burned out by lack of time and money to make any progress on the car AND in those 5 years, we have moved, and while we still own the first place, we are now 25 minutes away and I rarely get down there. So tell me, which route is truly better?

Also, when I was debating on what to do back when I got my car, a good friend and a member here gave me some excellent advice. He told me “the ratty muscle cars are the hot fad right now. If I were you, I’d get the car running and driving and ride that fad till it goes out, THEN worry about body and paint.” And he wasn’t wrong. He’s also the one who convinced me to make the 10 hour drive to North Carolina to go buy my Duster. He’s one smart dude! Right @cosgig? :D :thankyou:
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I think you made the right choice, Caleb. Instead of losing 5 years and a lot of inspiration, you gained 5 years of fun and experience bringing the car back to life. You even fulfilled a huge bucket list item by bringing it to the Nats, and I know that was high on your list. You can always strip it to the bone and paint it, but now you have a roadmap in your mind as to how you put it together, and that will make it much easier when it comes time for a redo. Plus, you’ve been the coolest dude in town for 5 years now, that right there is worth the trip!!
 
One good thing about it is, you dont have to worry about theft. I often thought about getting one and just doing the mechanical & electrical, and leaving the rest alone. Wouldent worry about it in a parking lot.
 
moparmat2000 said:
One good thing about it is, you dont have to worry about theft. I often thought about getting one and just doing the mechanical & electrical, and leaving the rest alone. Wouldent worry about it in a parking lot.
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I didn`t read any of these posts, my thot is : why go to the trouble of making a car looked old and messed up ? I f ur gong to paint it do it right .---------jmo
 
swing69 said:
A car was saved that was going to the scrap yard.
It was mechanically restored and upgraded for performance and safety.
It was worked on as a learning tool for US auto students, 100% funded by the teacher - me. The money in it, exceeds it's value WITHOUT doing body and paint. I'm underwater, but that's ok....its about teaching the kids. My concern and curriculum is MECHANICALS, not auto body (obvoiously)
The HS program does NOT do body and paint....so it would be a complete losing proposition to send it to a body shop.

To get it to a point you would Approve, would be in excess of 20 grand. Yes, I'd have an easier time selling it for 10k, taking a 10k hit.

By not painting, the kids hammerec, welded, bondo-d, spray bombed it .

For those reasons, it way way cooler than a shiny show car that looks exactly like the line of 150 other shiny show cars
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Cool story. Keeping the car culture alive is what counts.
Who cares what the paint looks like. Its all about learning. Exactly what a few individuals on here need to do. I applaud you. Cheers
 
Here is a "natural sorta patina" car. I have always done my routine of getting car on the road OR just a plain nut and bolt resto. I moved to Tx couple years ago, and have not done anything here too build any kind of shop, all just Tx. pine tree shade tree stuff, no compressor right now. !!!! Just right angle grinder, a small mig, and some flap discs, and long boards! Pictured is a 71 Duster original paint before I fixed some rust and various door dings and blems. I got it running/driving, and then I repaired the rust and dings, so it has OM patina and a mix or epoxy primer, with just some spray Rusteolum on that as a temp sealer. Looks like crap!! I care less what anyone thinks but me, but I drive it and enjoy it and don't worry about it, till I finish the body.


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