School me on the 4 speed, please.

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I know pretty much nothing about the 4 speeds and i am looking to convert my 69 swinger to one. The car was a stock 4 speed, but the last owner put a 727 in it. The car has the clutch pedal strapped to the fire wall still, so I am lucky there. But I am assuming I will need some linkage for the conversion. The car has a 340 in it.

So, that being said, which transmission do I need, I am assuming the 833?
Where is the best place to find one or what car to get it one out of? Shoud I watch Craiglist and e-bay for one? Anyone here got one for sale?
How much is a reasonable cost for one?
Is there any other transmissions I should consider as far as an upgrade or anything?

I am new to the car resotoration deal, but so far I learned a ton from this forum and working on the '71 Swinger I started to work on but sold when I got my '69.
 
which transmission do I need, I am assuming the 833?
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Well, theres 6 to chose from, so to speak. The 4 spd came in cast iron and aluminum, overdrive and not, long tail and short tail. Then theres 2 bearing retainer sizes.

You'll need to find the short tail iron one to be correct. I do not remember the bearing size retainer for your car. At least the correct one.

The trannys also came with an overdrive. The first gear is deep @ 3.09 *I think* first gear and a .67 *I think* overdrive ratio.

Aluminum versions are out there, but can be hard to find and expensive to purchase.
I'd go to a die hard MoPar man for my tranny. And speak of which,
click here;
http://www.passonperformance.com/

Passon also has his own overdrive set up which is stronger than the OE way. He's been doing these for years.
 
Thanks for the input and good links... I now have some good reading materials for the 3 day weekend.
 
rumblefish360 said:
Well, theres 6 to chose from, so to speak. The 4 spd came in cast iron and aluminum, overdrive and not, long tail and short tail. Then theres 2 bearing retainer sizes.

You'll need to find the short tail iron one to be correct. I do not remember the bearing size retainer for your car. At least the correct one.

The trannys also came with an overdrive. The first gear is deep @ 3.09 *I think* first gear and a .67 *I think* overdrive ratio.

Aluminum versions are out there, but can be hard to find and expensive to purchase.
I'd go to a die hard MoPar man for my tranny. And speak of which,
click here;
http://www.passonperformance.com/

Passon also has his own overdrive set up which is stronger than the OE way. He's been doing these for years.
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I could be wrong but I thought there were three bearing retainer sizes. The two smaller ones and the huge od one.
short tail is a/f and long is b/e/pu. http://www.slantsix.org/articles/4-speeds/ODA833fourspeed1.htm
 
res1, You could be right. I'm not to solid of all the models out there and any mods there after tha could or can be done. Thats why I said, theres 6 to chose from, so to speak.

Theres also 5 and 6 speed swaps. But I didn't wanna go there due to the extra expense that could be in the swap.
 
Yes, that's an A/F body short tailshaft A-833, and looks to be cast iron. The shifter mount plate is good to find with the trans, too, as they are at least $50 if purchased elsewhere.

Yes also on the shift linkage from what I can see.
 
Thanks. Although, I am not sure I can justify spending any money on the car right now, I will be watching it closely.
 
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