Speedmaster head hypothetical

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All I can say here is trial and error. Bowls are just as complicated as short turns. Too little area and it's the choke point. Too much area in the wrong place and the air separates which causes other problems. The valve stem and valve guide are a pain to work around and get air around. The bowl also has to be designed to deal with the problems that the pushrod pinch creates. This is particularly evident on the cyl center side of the port wall and bowl. There are some crazy airflow patterns on that side.

In my experience the bowl just below the valve seat on the SM head does not need major enlargement. Depending on the size of the motor the bowl around the valve guide and the bowl at the apex may need substantial work.

Sorry to be so vague, but some of these things are hard to describe. And please read this as me sharing experiences, not giving advice. We've got Darin and a handful of other guys around here for giving advice.


For the sake of discussion and in case you want a visual of the valve jobs I use I'll post the cutter numbers.

You can look them up on the Goodson website to see the drawings.

EFT-5046B-HP is the 50 I use on the intake.
IFT-5025B-HP is the 50 I use on the exhaust.

EFT-5550B-HP is the 55 I use on the intake.
EFT-5557B-HP is the 55 I use on the exhaust.
 
Here's a test I ran this morning with the swirl meter on the bench. I've been thinking about the relationship between swirl and SSR flow separation. I think it's sort of a chicken and egg relationship. Actually the separation probably comes first, but the swirl may actually feed the separation and it snowballs.

Anyway, look at the graph for a few interesting points. On this port/head, the flow separation really starts about 0.400" lift. This may also be the point where flow on the cylinder wall side of the valve is maxed out because of shrouding (it may actually happen a little earlier than 0.400). Look what happens to the swirl at that point. It takes off. So, at 0.400" lift the flow on the SS and the shrouded sides of the valve start decreasing while the flow on the long side and cyl center side of the valve increases quite rapidly. Long side and cyl center side of the valve is where the daylight is. That is the straight shot/line of sight area where the air 'wants' to go. Increasing flow in this area increases swirl. Look what happens to CFM as swirl increases rapidly (0.400-0.700 lift). CFM starts to decrease rapidly.

Look at another section of the graph from 0.150-0.400 lift. In this area swirl is almost constant. This is the section of the flow curve (the CFM line) that is the most steep. The more steep the flow curve (the slope of the line), the more flow per inch of valve opening. That is a positive thing. Flow has not yet separated on the short side and shrouding has not significantly cut off flow on the cyl wall side. So in this section it appears flow is moving around the entire perimeter of the valve quite well.

So we see an inverse relationship between flow and swirl. If swirl increases rapidly, flow does not. Where flow increases rapidly, swirl does not. And this makes sense from an energy standpoint. Increases in flow and increases in swirl both take increases in energy or area. So every move of the valve (by 0.050" in this case) gives so much additional potential energy to work with. That 0.050" movement of the valve can yield a large increase in flow or a large increase in swirl. It will not yield a large increase in both simultaneously. Both can increase simultaneously, but not at a huge rate (there is a limit to the positive slope of the lines).

Darin Morgan repeatedly states that too much swirl is not good for performance. It may be good for emissions and efficiency, but not performance. On this head, the cause of too much swirl is flow separation and shrouding. Darin preaches keeping velocities as equal as possible around the entire perimeter of the valve. It's hard to do.

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Here's a test I ran this morning with the swirl meter on the bench. I've been thinking about the relationship between swirl and SSR flow separation. I think it's sort of a chicken and egg relationship. Actually the separation probably comes first, but the swirl may actually feed the separation and it snowballs.

Anyway, look at the graph for a few interesting points. On this port/head, the flow separation really starts about 0.400" lift. This may also be the point where flow on the cylinder wall side of the valve is maxed out because of shrouding (it may actually happen a little earlier than 0.400). Look what happens to the swirl at that point. It takes off. So, at 0.400" lift the flow on the SS and the shrouded sides of the valve start decreasing while the flow on the long side and cyl center side of the valve increases quite rapidly. Long side and cyl center side of the valve is where the daylight is. That is the straight shot/line of sight area where the air 'wants' to go. Increasing flow in this area increases swirl. Look what happens to CFM as swirl increases rapidly (0.400-0.700 lift). CFM starts to decrease rapidly.

Look at another section of the graph from 0.150-0.400 lift. In this area swirl is almost constant. This is the section of the flow curve (the CFM line) that is the most steep. The more steep the flow curve (the slope of the line), the more flow per inch of valve opening. That is a positive thing. Flow has not yet separated on the short side and shrouding has not significantly cut off flow on the cyl wall side. So in this section it appears flow is moving around the entire perimeter of the valve quite well.

So we see an inverse relationship between flow and swirl. If swirl increases rapidly, flow does not. Where flow increases rapidly, swirl does not. And this makes sense from an energy standpoint. Increases in flow and increases in swirl both take increases in energy or area. So every move of the valve (by 0.050" in this case) gives so much additional potential energy to work with. That 0.050" movement of the valve can yield a large increase in flow or a large increase in swirl. It will not yield a large increase in both simultaneously. Both can increase simultaneously, but not at a huge rate (there is a limit to the positive slope of the lines).

Darin Morgan repeatedly states that too much swirl is not good for performance. It may be good for emissions and efficiency, but not performance. On this head, the cause of too much swirl is flow separation and shrouding. Darin preaches keeping velocities as equal as possible around the entire perimeter of the valve. It's hard to do.

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Do you recall what Morgan said he does to that side of the bowl when he wants to increase flow around that side of the valve??

He starts removing material on that side of the bowl up to the seat.
 
Not to hijack, but I did some testing of 30° seats once, it was a lift restricted oval track deal (.420) valve lift. China magnum head. Dont remember the exact numbers, but it was a fair amount better than the 45° up to about .400 then progressively worse after that
 
Do you recall what Morgan said he does to that side of the bowl when he wants to increase flow around that side of the valve??

He starts removing material on that side of the bowl up to the seat.
Yep. He says why would we want to turn the air right into a wall. Shoot it down the wall.
 
Not to hijack, but I did some testing of 30° seats once, it was a lift restricted oval track deal (.420) valve lift. China magnum head. Dont remember the exact numbers, but it was a fair amount better than the 45° up to about .400 then progressively worse after that
Did you run the head or just test it?
 
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