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just wondering if anyone has done this swap into a dart and what are the problems incountered? i found an 05 with a 6 speed trany for what may be a resonable price but if it is a real pain i wont bother thanks for any and all help or opinions
 
Never seen a V-10 put into an A-body before. May be to long but don't realy know. How much longer is a V-10 than a V-8? Don't know that the trany would fit ether with out a lot of cuting and fab work. Could it be done? Mabby. Would it be EZ? I dont tink it would be a drop in and go thing but it would be cool to do.

Just thinking out loud.

Good luck
Russell
 
there was a guy on here that did a truck v10 in an a body. i just say pics. i have been thinking about the same kinda thing lol
 
I read somewhere that the V10 was based on the LA block but don't know if that would ease things at all. I've got an all-iron V10 in my '95 Ram and the engine doesn't look all that much longer than a V8 but I've never measured it to know for sure.
I know the automatic tranny behind the V10 is quite a bit larger than a 727, but don't know about the manual.
Good luck if you decide to go ahead with this and keep us informed with pics. Could be a very interesting install.
 
I don't know, I'm pretty sure you have to do some serious work to the firewall, K-member, and steering linkage just to make it fit (and that's even in a B- or E-body!). An SRT-10 engine would be a good choice because it is all-aluminum and not that heavy but a truck V10 from the 90's would be equivalent to (maybe even more than) an iron-head 426 Street Hemi in an A-body. Weight bias is so bad that you can't really do anything besides go in a straight line.
 
i have driven an older dodge V-10 stick, and let me tell you that thing had some power...Just remember to get all the wiring harness and compute....I would be all over that.....
 
Viper motor is too long by two inches or so, or that's what I've been told. A friend is putting one in a Dakota SXT and I asked for the same reason.
 
evanbrendel said:
inst a srt 10 engine basicly the same as a viper engine?
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It's exactly the same. Isn't that funny, a sports car engine transplanted into a full-size truck that's still able to retain a 7000+ lb. tow rating! Try that with a Lambo or Ferrari engine... Yeah, right!
 
plenty of E bodies have had v-10 pit in them,,not sure if they moved the fire wall or not,,,

A V-10 motor is based off of a smal block 360 with 2 extra cylinders,,so do some measureing on your current smal block,,,measure from one cylinder to the next,, then add that measurement to your V8 in length,,,that wil tell you how long the V 10 IS,,,you may be able to move the motor forward a small amount to advoid moving the fire wall back,,you may have to have a custom oil pan made,,or go with some ones after market front K frame kit,,that will give you all the under clearance you need to instal it if it clears the fire wall,,,but make sure you robb a bank first,,,
 
fstfish66 said:
plenty of E bodies have had v-10 pit in them,,not sure if they moved the fire wall or not,,,

A V-10 motor is based off of a smal block 360 with 2 extra cylinders,,so do some measureing on your current smal block,,,measure from one cylinder to the next,, then add that measurement to your V8 in length,,,that wil tell you how long the V 10 IS,,,you may be able to move the motor forward a small amount to advoid moving the fire wall back,,you may have to have a custom oil pan made,,or go with some ones after market front K frame kit,,that will give you all the under clearance you need to instal it if it clears the fire wall,,,but make sure you robb a bank first,,,
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I believe you are mistaking the engine he's talking about the V10 viper motor that is in the SRT 10 and I believe your refering to the V10 magnum fromt he 94-01 trucks. The V10 viper was designed in conjunction with lamborgini whereas the V10 truck was just a design by chrysler.

I know of a dart with a V10 going in it. the firewall was moved back 4" and the tunnel was custom made I have no pictures as the build is underwraps
 
i never heard there were any differences from the viper v 10 to the srt v 10 to the truck v 10 other then iron truck aluminum viper and never read any thing about lambo being invloved,,,not that its not possible,,,but never heard or read that,,,would be intresting to know
 
fstfish66 said:
i never heard there were any differences from the viper v 10 to the srt v 10 to the truck v 10 other then iron truck aluminum viper and never read any thing about lambo being invloved,,,not that its not possible,,,but never heard or read that,,,would be intresting to know
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V10 truck utilities the same bellhousing as the Cummins. SRTV10 is the exact same as the Viper V10
 
dartgtman said:
just wondering if anyone has done this swap into a dart and what are the problems incountered? i found an 05 with a 6 speed trany for what may be a resonable price but if it is a real pain i wont bother thanks for any and all help or opinions
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I guarantee it won't just drop in so you might consider that a real pain. I looked at putting one in my Cuda but after measuring I found there's no way it'll go in without moving the firewall back and some crafty work up front to make things clear the radiator.
 
Yup ma mopar owned part of lambo back in the early 90's and their engineers helped design the heads and aluminum block just for the viper,and in fact the 360 pistons and roller lifters are the same part number as the V10 I would love to see a big v10 in an A body, always dreamed of it but never even been close to having the chance,,,, would definatley be something to make the LS1 powered nova guys shoot some crap down their pants, imagine glass front end,rack steered,suspension made to corner and some of that giggle juice,bye bye mr bowtie.
 
If you do it make sure you get the wiring harness unbutchered and every sensor having to do with the engine in the rig,the whole thing(under the hood,and the wiring for the fuel pump and things will be easier) I've not done anything with the v-10(we had an srt-10 when they first came out for a few yrs fun truck can drive it with your thumb at 140 if your so inclined really stable at speed I dont drive like and idiot or street race any more I got in ALOT of trouble a few yrs ago and will be paying for it for a few more yrs to come) but I've done quite a bit with efi ford stuff(I know its not the same but I learned alot about putting late model efi stuff in early muscle cars). Getting it in the engine bay and all mounted and lined up right and figuring out the cooling system,charging system,clutch, exhaust etc is alot harder than actually getting it to run if you have an unbutchered wiring harness to start with if your keeping the engine stock.
Good luck,
Jr.
 
dartgtman said:
just wondering if anyone has done this swap into a dart and what are the problems incountered? i found an 05 with a 6 speed trany for what may be a resonable price but if it is a real pain i wont bother thanks for any and all help or opinions
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How funny, i signed up to A bodies because i was on the
same boat as you not too long ago...

Found a great deal on a motor an harness but
Didnt have much luck finding out if it would fit or not.

If you want to be a pioneer my friend,you must step into the unknown...
 
Other than the pistons and rockers, a V-10 is NOTHING like a V-8 Magnum!

They use a deep skirt block, similar design to a big block.
The oil pump is in the timing cover, driven by the crank.
Timing components are one off for the V-10.
They use a specific flywheel, stick or auto.
Connecting rods are different.
Crank stroke is different.
Bellhousing pattern is the same as Cummins.

I have a '97 V-10 sitting here, as well as a 46RH automatic, and it would be an act of extreme creativity to shoehorn both into an A body, BUT, if you used the '89-'91 diesel 727 with the car style extension pieces, it would make the fitment MUCH easier to attempt, as you likely wouldn't have to modify the transmission//torsion bar cross member.

As far as it being longer, I believe it's the same length from bell to fan mount as a slant 6, though I should go measure. :D.

Mark.
 
Mark Nixon said:
Other than the pistons and rockers, a V-10 is NOTHING like a V-8 Magnum!

They use a deep skirt block, similar design to a big block.
The oil pump is in the timing cover, driven by the crank.
Timing components are one off for the V-10.
They use a specific flywheel, stick or auto.
Connecting rods are different.
Crank stroke is different.
Bellhousing pattern is the same as Cummins.

I have a '97 V-10 sitting here, as well as a 46RH automatic, and it would be an act of extreme creativity to shoehorn both into an A body, BUT, if you used the '89-'91 diesel 727 with the car style extension pieces, it would make the fitment MUCH easier to attempt, as you likely wouldn't have to modify the transmission//torsion bar cross member.

As far as it being longer, I believe it's the same length from bell to fan mount as a slant 6, though I should go measure. :D.

Mark.
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Please go measure when you can,cuz i highly doubt it.
This time, i WANT to be wrong.

Let us know when you do :cheers:
 
Er, anyone have a slanty to measure?
I wisely threw all mine away. Okay, maybe not-so-wisely in this case, but I'm NOT regretting it. :D
The measurement from the block's bell surface to the crank pulley should suffice.

Honestly, even if the length were to be do-able, I'm not so sure it'll clear the hood with the stock induction.

Mark.
 
Okay, I figured out the distances w/o a slanty.

The measurement I got from the bell/trans mating surfaces to the radiator yoke is 36.5", using the '74 Duster with a 360/727 trans sitting in it.
The distance from the V-10's trans flange to the damper/pully face is 34 inches.

Given that you need @ 3 inches of the total for a radiator, it's not fitting without moving the radiator in front of the radiator yoke, which could be done by mounting the core backwards in the brackets, like older Imperials did.
You'd then have grille and hood support mounting issues.
Pin the hood and ditch the grille? :D.

There are 2 "maybes" on this:
1)There appears to be an inch of room behind the block to the firewall, so a person could re-work a stock trans mount to move it back that inch to the firewall.

2)The damper/pully assemby extends @ least 3 inches further forward than most I've seen, possibly a shorter custom damper could be made, along with accessory brackets for the alternator and power steering.
It MIGHT be possible to make LA v-belt pieces work.

I'm actually thinking it wouldn't be a horrible thing to mount in with a Diesel 727 auto, as the measurements won't change from a 360 w/727.
It's just the pan and height clearances that are unknown, now.

Mounts would actually be fairly easy if the height were to come in right.

See the pics posted here for the basics of what is available to work with as far as mounts, exhaust manifold and the damper set-up.

Mark.

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After reading this thread, it seams to me that the way to do this the easiest would be to go back to the shell of the car. ie: remove all interior and engine bay parts. You could then cut your firewall and tunnel. When you have enough room, you could then trial fit the block and tranny to determine the new positions of the tranny crossmember and the height of the new firewall tunnel start. You could then determine what extra bracing is going to be needed for the torsion bars. After that you have the custom driveshaft. This sounds quite simple but there is a fair amount of thought that has to go into each stage. The other thing is the custom exhaust that is going to have to be made. In the end the only thing that you would notice on the inside of the car is the raised tunnel.

Jack
 
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