Steve Dulcich on building a budget 318

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It seems a lot here build what I call "full throttle blip burnout machine" something you only can go full throttle seconds at a time or other you be at crazy speeds for the street and to be able to spin the tires at will.

Some might want a more balanced driving experience at normal road speeds especially if you setup for twisty back roads you don't want the pedal so finicky you end up wrong end into a tree.
One funnest cars I had was an old Honda Prelude wasn't overly powerful but peppy as hell could do 7800 rpm shifts had something like 4.88 gears, an was real fun at reasonable into road speeds even the 4.6l Crown Vic cab I drove was fun beating the **** out of them driving drunks home at fairly high intown speeds trying to clear out the town after the bars closed or chasing down runners through parks fields school yards hitting them with a drivers doors as they tried to run :)

One thing people seem to overlook is where and how wide the powerband is, to me it seems like you like a 273 for similar reasons I liked the Honda, rpm, for a relatively modest hp you probably have a wide and high top end to your powerband probably and if you had a 360 or larger be more like a truck's powerband.

I wouldn't mind one day build like a gutted early A 4 gear road carver that does 7000+ rpm shifts at reasonable road speeds, maybe a 170 /6 or 273 :)

I'll have to do a "write up" some day on my thought process. The short version is: I just preferred factory parts, they were good enough when these cars were built. I will upgrade for durability and extra power. It is easy to go down the rabbit hole of "the best" of anything while you have plenty good enough on hand. I start with the rpm limit of parts ( connecting rods and valve train), say 6,500 rpm. I look at what car I'm working on. I run factory ceramic coated exhaust manifolds and the best factory exhaust. So why do I need 300cfm intake ports running through early 273 exhaust manifolds and 2 1/2 diameter straight through single exhaust? I also drive on the street, sometimes 15 hrs for a couple days with no AC. I'm not going to listen to headers and droning mufflers for any length of time. I've had to floor the Barracuda in panic situations, tires going up in smoke would not have saved me. No 1/4 mile at a time in a controlled environment. No trailer in case of failure.

With the 1.88 intake J heads, the 273 ran like a 340, just a tick slower with a higher rpm. The TQ was mind blowing at the right rpm kick in while still being sweet during normal driving. Non car people would freak if I wound it up to 3,000 rpm and floored it, let alone power shifted at 6,500 rpm. The 170 slant six was really sweet for what it was. I wish I would have kept that one. You don't even need to gut your early A, you will love it.
 
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Yeah i never got the thing about making a ton of power but not being able to get traction, i would prefer the other way around. I also don't understand burnouts though, i only see money going up in smoke.. literally
My Uncle said that's why he loved his Built 70 340 4 speed Duster, he said he beat a lot of big block cars more powerful then him, had problems keeping up with them as they played cat and mouse to the local spot, but there he'd dominant them pulling a little air under the tire and go. He figured 340 was the perfect size for street racing at least back then, he still has the car but been sitting around for 20 years, trying to talking my cousin in to us putting it back on the road even if it's a beater.
 
I'll have to do a "write up" some day on my thought process. The short version is: I just preferred factory parts, they were good enough when these cars were built. I will upgrade for durability and extra power. It is easy to go down the rabbit hole of "the best" of anything while you have plenty good enough on hand. I start with the rpm limit of parts ( connecting rods and valve train), say 6,500 rpm. I look at what car I'm working on. I run factory ceramic coated exhaust manifolds and the best factory exhaust. So why do I need 300cfm intake ports running through early 273 exhaust manifolds and 2 1/2 diameter straight through single exhaust? I also drive on the street, sometimes 15 hrs for a couple days with no AC. I'm not going to listen to headers and droning mufflers for any length of time. I've had to floor the Barracuda in panic situations, tires going up in smoke would not have saved me. No 1/4 mile at a time in a controlled environment. No trailer in case of failure.

With the 1.88 intake J heads, the 273 ran like a 340, just a tick slower with a higher rpm. The TQ was mind blowing at the right rpm kick in while still being sweet during normal driving. Non car people would freak if I wound it up to 3,000 rpm and floored it, let alone power shifted at 6,500 rpm. The 170 slant six was really sweet for what it was. You don't even need to gut your early A, you will love it.
That's why I say this all generally comes down to personal preferences and compromises, that combo obviously is a combo that fits you, that's why I try to give info for the OP to pick what's best them cause how the hell do I know what there gonna like or not, a lot of people assume their likes and dislikes are universal, I doubt anyone here would of recommend any of that for you if you were new to this and asked what to build. It might be a build the only fits you or might be pretty universal we'll never know most would be talked out of building anything like that. To me anyone interested in a 273 build should look at your car and toolmanmike's.
 
It's been said before probably a million times--Just get a 360. Building a 360 is an investment with great R.O.I. Bandaiding (not building) a 318 is throwing good money after bad IMO.

If its science experiments your into just follow the Mission Impossible 318 build and enjoy some popcorn in the comfort of your living room--or wherever you access YT. J.Rob
The Mission Impossible got knocked off the tracks in a way. Uncle Tony's original proposal was to use OEM parts as much as possible including the 2 barrel carb and manifold to see what it could produce. I understand why Uncle Tony bailed out.
Then parts suppliers started volunteering parts to aid raising money for St Judes Children's Hospital.
Remember I stated "in a way". Well Andy Wood just did a video explaining where the project is headed. It appears they will be using aftermarket con rods for durability, not what would acknowledged as be power producers. What they are doing in the block is radiusing the bottom of the bores to aid airflow to follow the pistons and cleaning up the casting. I do not know what "stock cam" they will start with, but Andy said they would eventually install a performance grind that will suit higher RPM.
Charlie Servidono has spent a ton of hours on 318 heads porting them. Seems he has 3 pairs to test, along with a ported 2 barrel intake. They have a modified BBD carb to test on the more "stock" shortblock. Then they will replace the intake for a 4 barrel and 750 Holley. After testing that they will install a pair of aftermarket heads. Should end up a very good engine to purchase and install in an A body.
 
That's why I say this all generally comes down to personal preferences and compromises, that combo obviously is a combo that fits you, that's why I try to give info for the OP to pick what's best them cause how the hell do I know what there gonna like or not, a lot of people assume their likes and dislikes are universal, I doubt anyone here would of recommend any of that for you if you were new to this and asked what to build. It might be a build the only fits you or might be pretty universal we'll never know most would be talked out of building anything like that. To me anyone interested in a 273 build should look at your car and toolmanmike's.
Toolmanmikes' and the 273 in my 66 Barracuda are similar. That 273 in the 66 Barracuda I wanted to get it as close to stock Commando as I could, but it is close to Stock Class with an Isky E-4 cam. The J headed 273 was wicked fast. I always built what someone wanted. I never tried to steer them either way. Some were crazy, like the 170 Ford going into an early rounded Falcon. But it turned out great and he was ecstatic. If it was too stupid, I would pass. Had great fun with some and made some friends for life. I hate one size fits all without taking into consideration what someone wants and how they will use it.
 
They are both designed to be compressed --just one will "light off" or pre-ignite much easier which leads to serious negative work otherwise known as detonation. J.Rob
Great. Can you now explain why the good quality race gas with 100 octane made less power than the shitty street fuel with only 87?
 
Higher octane fuel has a slower burn rate
If that was the case simply adjusting the timing would place the PPP in the correct place would it not?

Sunoco® Supreme™ is a 112 octane leaded race fuel

Supreme has a high motor octane number and a fast burn speed to ensure engine protection lap after lap and pass after pass. It is designed for compression ratios up to about 15:1 in small block V8 race engines and can withstand higher compression ratios in smaller or more efficient combustion chambers. Supreme’s fast burn speed also makes it a popular choice for 2-stroke race engines.

Maybe Ramm's using some special fuel blend that burns slow?
 
The Mission Impossible got knocked off the tracks in a way. Uncle Tony's original proposal was to use OEM parts as much as possible including the 2 barrel carb and manifold to see what it could produce. I understand why Uncle Tony bailed out.
Then parts suppliers started volunteering parts to aid raising money for St Judes Children's Hospital.
Remember I stated "in a way". Well Andy Wood just did a video explaining where the project is headed. It appears they will be using aftermarket con rods for durability, not what would acknowledged as be power producers. What they are doing in the block is radiusing the bottom of the bores to aid airflow to follow the pistons and cleaning up the casting. I do not know what "stock cam" they will start with, but Andy said they would eventually install a performance grind that will suit higher RPM.
Charlie Servidono has spent a ton of hours on 318 heads porting them. Seems he has 3 pairs to test, along with a ported 2 barrel intake. They have a modified BBD carb to test on the more "stock" shortblock. Then they will replace the intake for a 4 barrel and 750 Holley. After testing that they will install a pair of aftermarket heads. Should end up a very good engine to purchase and install in an A body.
I Don't overly care about the original premise, the carb intake and exhaust manifolds would be the major road blocks most aren't gonna majorly hop up a 318 with a 2bbl anyways, I hope they dyno a ton of combos, don't see a lot of 318s dyno'd so any info probably help others doing 318s.
 
7 pages in a day and a half.

It’s like there were never any budget 318 threads here.
Did anyone on here ever actually prove anything with a 318 Post dyno slip and actual cost? Fo example 318 wr you watch his yt videos his cars run a predictable et at the strip he doesnt show for example any real gains for the efforts. this iisnt a jab at him but hes not proving anything not already known. there is no cheap majic to be performed on a 318 that nets any real gains. The video posted is THE recipe period. How much does it cost? Dont cite Vizards 318 project that isnt even finished and it would cost a fortune so it isnt cheap no 318 person on here would ever build it.Its just guys being cheap and bullheaded about the fact that 318s are boat anchors.
 
Did anyone on here ever actually prove anything with a 318 Post dyno slip and actual cost? Fo example 318 wr you watch his yt videos his cars run a predictable et at the strip he doesnt show for example any real gains for the efforts. this iisnt a jab at him but hes not proving anything not already known. there is no cheap majic to be performed on a 318 that nets any real gains. The video posted is THE recipe period. How much does it cost? Dont cite Vizards 318 project that isnt even finished and it would cost a fortune so it isnt cheap no 318 person on here would ever build it.Its just guys being cheap and bullheaded about the fact that 318s are boat anchors.

Looks like we found AJ’s partner in life hating 318’s!!!!!
 
The Mission Impossible got knocked off the tracks in a way. Uncle Tony's original proposal was to use OEM parts as much as possible including the 2 barrel carb and manifold to see what it could produce. I understand why Uncle Tony bailed out.
Then parts suppliers started volunteering parts to aid raising money for St Judes Children's Hospital.
Remember I stated "in a way". Well Andy Wood just did a video explaining where the project is headed. It appears they will be using aftermarket con rods for durability, not what would acknowledged as be power producers. What they are doing in the block is radiusing the bottom of the bores to aid airflow to follow the pistons and cleaning up the casting. I do not know what "stock cam" they will start with, but Andy said they would eventually install a performance grind that will suit higher RPM.
Charlie Servidono has spent a ton of hours on 318 heads porting them. Seems he has 3 pairs to test, along with a ported 2 barrel intake. They have a modified BBD carb to test on the more "stock" shortblock. Then they will replace the intake for a 4 barrel and 750 Holley. After testing that they will install a pair of aftermarket heads. Should end up a very good engine to purchase and install in an A body.

In addition…..


 
If that was the case simply adjusting the timing would place the PPP in the correct place would it not?

Sunoco® Supreme™ is a 112 octane leaded race fuel

Supreme has a high motor octane number and a fast burn speed to ensure engine protection lap after lap and pass after pass. It is designed for compression ratios up to about 15:1 in small block V8 race engines and can withstand higher compression ratios in smaller or more efficient combustion chambers. Supreme’s fast burn speed also makes it a popular choice for 2-stroke race engines.

Maybe Ramm's using some special fuel blend that burns slow?
No. because i worded it wrong... higher octane resists detonation more is it... i deleted the post cause i knew i had said it poorly :)
 
I Don't overly care about the original premise, the carb intake and exhaust manifolds would be the major road blocks most aren't gonna majorly hop up a 318 with a 2bbl anyways, I hope they dyno a ton of combos, don't see a lot of 318s dyno'd so any info probably help others doing 318s.
Uncle Tony's idea was to see what could be done to a pretty stock teen. I get that, but also like the plan to test other combinations to give people an idea what can be accomplished.
 
always surprises me that people still watch him after that motor he sent to nicks..
 
Did anyone on here ever actually prove anything with a 318 Post dyno slip and actual cost? Fo example 318 wr you watch his yt videos his cars run a predictable et at the strip he doesnt show for example any real gains for the efforts. this iisnt a jab at him but hes not proving anything not already known. there is no cheap majic to be performed on a 318 that nets any real gains. The video posted is THE recipe period. How much does it cost? Dont cite Vizards 318 project that isnt even finished and it would cost a fortune so it isnt cheap no 318 person on here would ever build it.Its just guys being cheap and bullheaded about the fact that 318s are boat anchors.

What a clueless bench racer you are. Where is the dyno slip and actual cost on your engine? You would not get a fact if you lost to it.
 
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Did anyone on here ever actually prove anything with a 318 Post dyno slip and actual cost? Fo example 318 wr you watch his yt videos his cars run a predictable et at the strip he doesnt show for example any real gains for the efforts. this iisnt a jab at him but hes not proving anything not already known. there is no cheap majic to be performed on a 318 that nets any real gains. The video posted is THE recipe period. How much does it cost? Dont cite Vizards 318 project that isnt even finished and it would cost a fortune so it isnt cheap no 318 person on here would ever build it.Its just guys being cheap and bullheaded about the fact that 318s are boat anchors.
Sorry dude i dont have slips from 1983 i posted my combo
on small M/H slicks i was mid 12s hitting the juice off the line
with 3.23 Hi-way gears
Hardly a boat anchor
 
If that was the case simply adjusting the timing would place the PPP in the correct place would it not?

Sunoco® Supreme™ is a 112 octane leaded race fuel

Supreme has a high motor octane number and a fast burn speed to ensure engine protection lap after lap and pass after pass. It is designed for compression ratios up to about 15:1 in small block V8 race engines and can withstand higher compression ratios in smaller or more efficient combustion chambers. Supreme’s fast burn speed also makes it a popular choice for 2-stroke race engines.

Maybe Ramm's using some special fuel blend that burns slow?


Burn rate and octane are not related.
 
Who are these knuckle draggers who don’t want 600 plus HP? a I want to know who does NOT want 600 plus horsepower. I have some barely used golf clubs for that guy. And a badminton racquet too.
I guess if I could afford it, I would but "A good man's gotta know his limitations"
 
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