I do love the Challenger. It's just too far out of reach even used. Chrysler has been trying but IMO has been wrongfully using old names and badges for new products that have nothing to do with the original. I'm spilt when it comes down to old and new cars. I love the old cars for what they are. But have grown to like what the new cars have to offer.
The new 2015 Mustang is dazzling...WHEN WILL MOPAR ANSWER?!?!?
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demoman3955
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im old and that being said could care less about the new cars. there throwaways and always will be. i have 2 cars and there over 40 years old but are my daily drivers. the way i see it is 70 a year to register it, and 40 a month to insure it trumps a 300 a month payment. i could go on and on,but in my eyes the new cars are just a temperary and expensive fix
gtmopar
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Ford has stolen the Astin Martin grill and has been putting it on everything from focus to now mustang. Not a bad looking car but now with standard turbo 4 I guess is better than the 6 economy wise but the mustang is always about sound! Thanks EPA!!!
abodyjoe
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its not like this would be the first time a 4cyl cam in a mustang.
1) I applaud Ford for keeping the Mustang alive so many years.
2) The new Mustang looks good... except from the rear! Man that sloping back light panel looks hidious too me! If they made it vertical I would have called it a home run.
3) I looked into buying a Mustang 2 years ago for a daily driver. No five passenger seating = no sale. Have 3 kids makes a 5 seater mandatory.
4) Challenger is just too damn expensive and loaded with crap, make a REAL core model (aka Road Runner) without all the damn widgets and crap.
2) The new Mustang looks good... except from the rear! Man that sloping back light panel looks hidious too me! If they made it vertical I would have called it a home run.
3) I looked into buying a Mustang 2 years ago for a daily driver. No five passenger seating = no sale. Have 3 kids makes a 5 seater mandatory.
4) Challenger is just too damn expensive and loaded with crap, make a REAL core model (aka Road Runner) without all the damn widgets and crap.
66340SEDAN
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Lmao at that picture!!!
daredevil
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me too f150
im old too but how do you account for the fact at any given time theres about 60 people on a body general discussion &about 800 on challenger talk general discussion?
gtmopar
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Yea joe that pinto derived motor they used up till 93 was a real turd unless you turboed it then you had basically and svo or Turbo coupe T bird. They could be made pretty tough but you are still talking about pouring Money in a pinto power plant which to me just seems.............well wrong. Again JMO.
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Ya, I would love to drive an old car every day but I`m in the rust belt so winter/salt is always a problem and most people want a nice driving newer car with all the widgits for daily commuting and that stat proves it.
67 prostreet gt
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personally I like the new mustangs, and I also kinda like the new dart, if they have the right wheels and paint
magnumdust
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First, no knocks are intended here against the current Challenger. It's a wonderful, lovable, beautiful car that is capable of some terrific performance. It's nearly universally loved by journalists, owners and onlookers for very good reasons. But it's also a big lunk and better suited for high speed cruising than racing, particularly when curved pavement is involved...and that's fine. It's just a different kind of performance car from the Camaro and Mustang.
The 2015 Mustang has been all over the news cycle in the past few days...the reaction is overwhelmingly positive from everyone I have talked to. It seems like there is money to be made in this segment!!
So...for the love of God, when will Chrysler get serious about competing here?
really? i think ford made a huge flop with this new one.
But agreed chrysler needs to get their S together with muscle cars. There was that cuda concept, they need to follow through with it and change up from this "its got a hemi" crap. That engine is fairly heavy and not on par with these direct injection monsters.
doogievlg
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Bottom line is that ford has a better performance line up. Chrysler is has all but gotten rid of its performance interest. Yes they have a couple of fast models with v8s but compare ford racing a parts vs mopar performance parts. Chrysler things selling a few challengers and chargers will make us happy and for some it will. For people like myself I want to be able to buy a fast car and make it faster.
The thing that put the final nail in the coffin for me is the fact that the new mustang comes from the factory with line loc.
That being said I will still pick my old rusty dart over a new mustang any day. When the money comes I will be getting a ford unless chrysler steps up its game BIG time.
The thing that put the final nail in the coffin for me is the fact that the new mustang comes from the factory with line loc.
That being said I will still pick my old rusty dart over a new mustang any day. When the money comes I will be getting a ford unless chrysler steps up its game BIG time.
95teetee
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then he goes on to say that the only part he likes reminds him of an ugly car based on a 60 year old design (porsche 911).
Fiat will never do to any car what Ford has to the Mustang. Period. Yall can say it looks like this foreign car and that......and you know what? You're right! While Ford has been SMART with the Mustang and redesigned it as times CHANGE, Fiat, Chrysler LLC, Cerberus, Daimler, Chrysler......whatever the HELL their name is this week has sat on the sidelines and never had a thing to compete with. Nothing. While Ford has made its loyal fans a RWD V8 factory hot rod for 50 frikkin years and they have remained hot, Mopar fans have gotten crapped on. Carry on.
the brutal truth is Toyota is outselling and outperforming them all
Toyota is losing marketshare. They seem to be pulling a "GM" and becomming complacent in their top spot. The Camry still sells well but it's widely considered to not be on the low end in its class. The Sonata, Fusion, Accord, Mazda6 are each superior by a good margin.
The new Camry revealed in NY last week seems to be showing a bit more effort and passion but the Mazda6 is still way better looking (and likely better driving...because Mazda), and the new, cleaned up Sonata is getting way more press. The excitement is just elsewhere these days.
Also, the all new Chrysler 200 looks very strong. Initial reports are positive...nice interiors, good looking body style, good suspension tuning, strong performance from the Pentastar, unique offerings with the 9spd and rear-biased AWD. It doesn't look to be set to knock off the top sellers but it should be a respectable offering.
You can't really blame Fiat/Chrysler for not making the big investment necessary to compete with Mustang and Camaro, when they're really just hitting their stride. The muscle cars are not a big money maker and they're a liability as the new CAFE standards are demanding better fleet MPG and the conventional wisdom is that they're falling out of favor as the sniveling brats who represent the future market just want electronics gadgets and shiny things rather than roaring V8s.
Saetun
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That's a hot lookin ride. I think Ford nailed it
Hersbird
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I like it and I would buy the 4 cylinder as my top pick. Best handling, best economy, a boosted 300hp so no loss at our high altitude. I bet with the easy tuning always available with turbo it runs pretty close to the v8 at our 3500-4500 feet.
magnumdust
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Let's hope so, i had an earlier chrysler 200 for a rental car a few months ago. It was very clear that it was meant for someone who wanted a 300c, but was too poor to even afford the v6 model.
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FYI - Chrysler is still in a "repair mode" from their economic meltdown of a couple of years ago. On the same note Chrysler does realize that they have to keep the buying public's interest and they are trying their best with limited resources.
With the help of FIAT interior quality and materials are improving. Exterior designs continue to improve overall.
RAM trucks continue to gain market share because they are superior to the competition in all respects.
Powertrains continue to improve. Vehicle performance continues to improve in all models. The 6.2 Hellcat Hemi will knock your socks off when they release it and they are late with the intro.
The Challenger was a marketing ploy that worked, as was the 5.7 Hemi engine. The Charger was also succcessful to some degree.
Bare in mind our interest is solely in performance vehicles. Halo vehicles such as the Viper ans Challenger represent a very small percentage of sales and as a result take a back burner to the bread and butter vehicles. Chrysler must be profitable in order to survive and they will get it done.
Be patient, the good stuff is coming................
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With the help of FIAT interior quality and materials are improving. Exterior designs continue to improve overall.
RAM trucks continue to gain market share because they are superior to the competition in all respects.
Powertrains continue to improve. Vehicle performance continues to improve in all models. The 6.2 Hellcat Hemi will knock your socks off when they release it and they are late with the intro.
The Challenger was a marketing ploy that worked, as was the 5.7 Hemi engine. The Charger was also succcessful to some degree.
Bare in mind our interest is solely in performance vehicles. Halo vehicles such as the Viper ans Challenger represent a very small percentage of sales and as a result take a back burner to the bread and butter vehicles. Chrysler must be profitable in order to survive and they will get it done.
Be patient, the good stuff is coming................
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Plymouth is gone. It's not coming back.
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Die hard Mopar enthusiasts today are largely comprised of the folks that were wowed by the cars produced during the muscle car era. We have had a mindset that is ingrained into us that says 'second fastest is still a loser'. But if we look historically at car sales we find that 'muscle cars' have only been a small percentage of the over all new car sales.
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I believe that there is now (as there has always been) a faction of performance enthusiasts within Chrysler Corp.
During the late sixties the 'What wins on Sunday sells on Monday' mentality carried a lot of weight. The powers that be knew that the Superbirds and Daytonas they produced weren't going to sell Superbirds and Daytonas. But they believed that sales numbers of the rest of their lineup would increase. I don't think that the performance junkies wield as much power within Chrysler today.
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I used to be a huge Nascar fan. Back in the day when you could identify the different makes and models at a glance it was easier for me to get excited about who was winning. Today it's harder to tell the cars apart. Rather than root for your favorite driver and manufacturer, people are likely now to only root for an individual driver. Nascar was the great AMERICAN race circuit. Today Toyotas are on the track. I cringed at the news when it was released that they were coming. But on the track they blend in with all of the other generic looking body styles. I believe that the lack of brand identity has diminished the influence of winning on sales.
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Movies like the Fast and Furious have ginned up interest in rice grinders. The Dodge Charger and Chrysler 300 are possibly the last examples of larger muscle car that will be made. The pony car market is getting more attention today. The big three American pony cars are (of course) the Camaro, the Mustang, and the Challenger. Which is best? It depends on who you ask. :argue: But no matter what the consensus may turn out to be, it unlikely to dictate which of 'the big three' will have the most success in the showroom.
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Why was Fiat interested in buying out Chrysler? :evil3: I'm sure there are many reasons, but the bottom line is that they did it to grow their company. Hopefully they will retain the Mopar flavor and not turn it into FIAT OF AMERICA. As Mopar enthusiasts the future is unclear for us.
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But one thing's for certain. It was a wild ride through the sixties and seventies!
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:crybaby: :sad10:Die hard Mopar enthusiasts today are largely comprised of the folks that were wowed by the cars produced during the muscle car era. We have had a mindset that is ingrained into us that says 'second fastest is still a loser'. But if we look historically at car sales we find that 'muscle cars' have only been a small percentage of the over all new car sales.
:book: :read::book: :read::book: :read::book: :read::book::read:
I believe that there is now (as there has always been) a faction of performance enthusiasts within Chrysler Corp.
During the late sixties the 'What wins on Sunday sells on Monday' mentality carried a lot of weight. The powers that be knew that the Superbirds and Daytonas they produced weren't going to sell Superbirds and Daytonas. But they believed that sales numbers of the rest of their lineup would increase. I don't think that the performance junkies wield as much power within Chrysler today.
:help: :help: :help: :help: :help:
I used to be a huge Nascar fan. Back in the day when you could identify the different makes and models at a glance it was easier for me to get excited about who was winning. Today it's harder to tell the cars apart. Rather than root for your favorite driver and manufacturer, people are likely now to only root for an individual driver. Nascar was the great AMERICAN race circuit. Today Toyotas are on the track. I cringed at the news when it was released that they were coming. But on the track they blend in with all of the other generic looking body styles. I believe that the lack of brand identity has diminished the influence of winning on sales.
:usa2: :usa2: :usa2: :usa2: :usa2: :scratch:
Movies like the Fast and Furious have ginned up interest in rice grinders. The Dodge Charger and Chrysler 300 are possibly the last examples of larger muscle car that will be made. The pony car market is getting more attention today. The big three American pony cars are (of course) the Camaro, the Mustang, and the Challenger. Which is best? It depends on who you ask. :argue: But no matter what the consensus may turn out to be, it unlikely to dictate which of 'the big three' will have the most success in the showroom.
:neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :neutral:
Why was Fiat interested in buying out Chrysler? :evil3: I'm sure there are many reasons, but the bottom line is that they did it to grow their company. Hopefully they will retain the Mopar flavor and not turn it into FIAT OF AMERICA. As Mopar enthusiasts the future is unclear for us.
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But one thing's for certain. It was a wild ride through the sixties and seventies!
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Good points above... but in particular, I think you nailed this. Looking at the designs from back in the day, Chrysler was always a distant 3rd in terms of sales to GM and Ford but the designs are so clearly made by a group of real enthusiasts and the Chrysler brands punched above their weight class because of it. The cars were just damn good and the styling is still legendary.
As for 2014, we should all be grateful that Ralph Gilles is on the payroll. He's a true car nut and he really seems to get the importance of the history of the brand. :glasses7:
MopaR&D
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Some of you guys need to pay better attention to what's going on before forming your opinions (then again I have the opposite problem ha)... In the works over the next few years is a new smaller (midsize) RWD sporty car which will feature single- and twin-turbo packages for the current Pentastar V-6 engine meaning 400+ HP no sweat, and maybe even a V8 option. Rumors are it might be called Barracuda and branded as a Chrysler but that part is still just speculation.
I'm not certain but I think the Challenger will probably have a proper redesign and be shrunk down/lightened more than the current generation. Also the 6.2L supercharged Hemi with around 650 HP is for sure coming out soon to compete with the GT500 and ZL1 but will also be available in the Charger.
2015 Challenger with Shaker hood... IMO the best looking ones yet
I'm not certain but I think the Challenger will probably have a proper redesign and be shrunk down/lightened more than the current generation. Also the 6.2L supercharged Hemi with around 650 HP is for sure coming out soon to compete with the GT500 and ZL1 but will also be available in the Charger.
2015 Challenger with Shaker hood... IMO the best looking ones yet
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