What is meant by….Trick ring face

-
Tricks on the face of the piston ring?
It would not surprise me someone reground the face of the piston rings and/or cut/bevel/create a wacky wave or something to improve power.
 
“Stock is more restrictive. The piston has a set weight, stock ring groves and locations, stock valve relief, stock pin size, stock dome, stock compression height. Same rule as Super Stock on the rods. Stock appearing unwelded oil pan. Cam must be same type as original, with stock lift, any duration, any LSA, stock type and diameter lifter, but aftermarket materials (ie Schubeck) allowed. Any steel pushrod, stock rockers, any valve spring the same size and configuration as stock, steel retainers, any steel or stainless steel valve with stock dimensions. No porting and polishing, stock intake. Trick ring packs are the norm.

If you have 1/16" compression rings, back cut is the rule of the day, with trick ring faces.


If you have 5/64" rings, spacers and Dykes, metric or other trick rings are the thing. Stock intake, stock carb. Stock is sort of liberally interpreted in many cases”
 
rumblefish360 said:
You asked a question. I didn’t ask for a schooling.
Click to expand...

No, that is the discussion where I found the question I am asking. Its a discussion on speed talk with Larry Meaux and others.

That is why I put quotes around it. Was just trying to provide context to my question, I have zero knowledge of this, which is why I ask the question.
Not to school anybody..lol..I know nothing about it.
 
B3422w5 said:
No, that is the discussion where I found the question I am asking. Its a discussion on speed talk with Larry Meaux and others.

That is why I put quotes around it. Was just trying to provide context to my question, I have zero knowledge of this, which is why I ask the question.
Not to school anybody..lol..I know nothing about it.
Click to expand...

All I see is a title to the thread and a one line post.

I made my answer on a subject I don’t know the full scope on and then you use the “-“ symbols as to say your quoting someone else from another discussion from another forum.

So you say.

I don’t see it that way but I do see you diverting/deflecting and placing blame on people that may not be here and/or be able to defend themselves.

As far as I’m concerned, those white tags you used are insufficient and your not taking accountability on a post directed at me which was a schooling post for sure.
 
rumblefish360 said:
All I see is a title to the thread and a one line post.

I made my answer on a subject I don’t know the full scope on and then you use the “-“ symbols as to say your quoting someone else from another discussion from another forum.

So you say.

I don’t see it that way but I do see you diverting/deflecting and placing blame on people that may not be here and/or be able to defend themselves.

As far as I’m concerned, those white tags you used are insufficient and your not taking accountability on a post directed at me which was a schooling post for sure.
Click to expand...


You honestly have issues guy.

I was reading a post on another forum. I came across that sentence in a post in a thread on there.
I asked what it means, because I didn’t/ don’t know.
To be more clear, I put the whole post up there, which included the sentence I ask about, to hopefully provide more context of my question.
Unfortunately, understanding this simple question seems to have missed its point with you for some reason. Hopefully someone else will be able to answer my question

Here is the entire thread
Meaux heads - Page 2 - Don Terrill’s Speed-Talk
 
B3422w5 said:
You honestly have issues guy.
Click to expand...

Naaaaa, I’m good. You just don’t like my point of view.
You just don’t know how to post a question or properly quote someone else. That is what lead this thread the way it did.

Re read what you posted as if it was the first time and not your thread. If anything, it’s cryptic.

Then your second post quoted but not properly quoted looks like you’re schooling me on something. See it from another point of view through a different set of eyes. I don’t have issues! I read it like I see it and that was my point of view. You schooled me.

Do you know how to manually enter quote tags?

B3422w5 said:
I was reading a post on another forum. I came across that sentence in a post in a thread on there.
I asked what it means, because I didn’t/ don’t know.
To be more clear, I put the whole post up there, which included the sentence I ask about, to hopefully provide more context of my question.
Unfortunately, understanding this simple question seems to have missed its point with you for some reason. Hopefully someone else will be able to answer my question
Click to expand...
I hope so as well as the topic could be very enlightening.
 
rumblefish360 said:
Naaaaa, I’m good. You just don’t like my point of view.
You just don’t know how to post a question or properly quote someone else. That is what lead this thread the way it did.

Re read what you posted as if it was the first time and not your thread. If anything, it’s cryptic.

Then your second post quoted but not properly quoted looks like you’re schooling me on something. See it from another point of view through a different set of eyes. I don’t have issues! I read it like I see it and that was my point of view. You schooled me.

Do you know how to manually enter quote tags?


I hope so as well as the topic could be very enlightening.
Click to expand...
Maybe someone else will be able to help me answer my question.
Have a great night.
 
B3422w5 said:
Maybe someone else will be able to help me answer my question.
Have a great night.
Click to expand...
FWIW
I understood your question perfectly. and
I understood your follow-up quotes, perfectly. and
I too, have no idea what a "trick ring FACE is". Unless that applies directly to the following line in the article which reads;
B3422w5 said:
If you have 5/64" rings, spacers and Dykes, metric or other trick rings are the thing.

EDIT
IMO; the lack of decent punctuation in the above statement could have been better, and that would have made this conversation almost moot. Below, I rearranged it to make proper sense

If your pistons have 5/64" rings; THEN
spacers, Dykes, metric, or other trick rings, are the thing.
Click to expand...
; which mentions "spacers", "Dykes", and "metrics", all lumped together as trick rings, for pistons with 5/64ths grooves ; which are, or used to be, somewhat unusual configurations for an automotive engine. Nowadays you just order your custom Pistons for whatever configuration, but, according to the article, pistons have to be, "stock configuration".
The Dykes, are common in some hi-performance motorcycles.
Metrics are becoming more common.
Spacers have been around for a long time.
So then, I suppose, those "trick rings", are the same as; "specialty rings" for a car; but not so trick in the racing world.......of which I know very little.
As it is put forth in your quoted article; my "interpretation" of "trick ring packs" and so called "faces", is that these are special designs to reduce friction between the faces of the rings and the cylinder walls, in very hi performance engines.
There are also other, "trick rings".
and; Even tho I don't need to know about "trick ring packs", I still like to know that stuff.
 
Last edited:
And, I agree with this;
B3422w5 said:
You honestly have issues guy.
Click to expand...
I usually try to stay out of his way, imagine that. But the way he treated you, IMO, was totally uncalled for; and then, as you may have noticed, he tries to smooth it over with sugary words.
He treats me, and others, with the same distain...... and worse.
 
AJ/FormS said:
And, I agree with this;

I usually try to stay out of his way, imagine that. But the way he treated you, IMO, was totally uncalled for; and then, as you may have noticed, he tries to smooth it over with sugary words.
He treats me, and others, with the same distain...... and worse.
Click to expand...

He generally seems alright to me..lol
That said, it seems as the evening gets late, he seems a little rougher to deal with. I can only hazard a guess as to why.
 
I was a bit confused about post #3. Now I see the quotation marks and now that I read all the posts in this thread, I understand it was a quote from someone else. I sure didn't know who when I read post #3. Just saying.
 
Total seal has different coatings for ring faces. Maybe this is what they are refering to. I suppose anything that reduces drag or increases seal or both would be considered trick

 
AJ/FormS said:
And, I agree with this;

I usually try to stay out of his way, imagine that. But the way he treated you, IMO, was totally uncalled for; and then, as you may have noticed, he tries to smooth it over with sugary words.
He treats me, and others, with the same distain...... and worse.
Click to expand...
That’s because you normally disrespect others choices and tout your own superiority while lightly calling others stupid for the choices they make while not helping with there endeavors.

When you actually help, I leave likes and sometimes make a post stating something positive about you and your post. But you forget those posts.

B3422w5 said:
He generally seems alright to me..lol
Click to expand...
Thank you
B3422w5 said:
That said, it seems as the evening gets late, he seems a little rougher to deal with.
Click to expand...
My apologies.
B3422w5 said:
I can only hazard a guess as to why.
Click to expand...
Me too.
92b said:
Total seal has different coatings for ring faces. Maybe this is what they are refering to. I suppose anything that reduces drag or increases seal or both would be considered trick

Click to expand...

NICE! Thanks for the video.
 
I would assume that a thick ring would machined so a thinner part rides against the cylinder walls and the thicker part rides in the ring lands
Atleast thats what I'd do.
 
B3422w5 said:
Sounds good. It mentioned the ring lands can’t be fooled with, so the rings I guess can.
Click to expand...
Heyyyy, now that’s a thought! Good thinking.

The ring retains its normal size that sits within the piston but the part that rides the cylinder wall gets narrow/thinner.
NICE!!!!

Nice thinking moparmaga
 
All this stuff gives me more appreciation about what leading edge stockers and superstockers put into their race programs.
Crazy, the details and tricks.
Wonder how much power a stock ring and a tricked out ring these people are talking about difference could be gained.
 
B3422w5 said:
All this stuff gives me more appreciation about what leading edge stockers and superstockers put into their race programs.
Crazy, the details and tricks.
Wonder how much power a stock ring and a tricked out ring these people are talking about difference could be gained.
Click to expand...
Should watch vid's of what Darin Morgan has to do to Hemi heads just to gain higher shift rpms.
 
I asked Charlie Westcott about this stuff..below is what he just told me.

.”Ring lands and rings need to be perfectly flat, smooth, and shiny. No way are you gonna coat anything and keep it proper. Guys run those spacers, I have never done that cause I dont build those engines. What people need to realize is the ring land/ring interface is twice as important as the hone finish”
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
-

Back
Top